Andre,
>>The real Quality is one that can not be
> > explained.
>
>(andre)Says you. But Zen Masters do it for a living.
>
>If all people give the explaining up and
> > try to percieve instead of philosophical discussions
> > they may have some mystical experiences that will be
> > more precious than just wandering among theories and
> > philosophical theorems.
>
>(andre)The idea of discussion is an attempt at commonality,
>whence, greater truths my arise. Else, from what you
>say, we are each left with out personal dreams worlds.
>I have no problem with that, intellectually (as yet),
>yet I do in life.
>
>hugs,
>Andre
Elliot:
Its accepted as the fundemental assumption of the MoQ that the Quality event
happens before words and explanations can be formed. words come after.
Because on the tree words come much further down than Quality, Quality
cannot be captured in words. Quality is experience therefore the only way
to truly "understand" Quality is to experience it. Zen masters dont
describe Quality, they use tactics to get their students to experience it
themselves. The map is not the terrain.
And discussion finds commanality, but because Quality is before discussion,
discussion finds only static patters when the unexplainable lays just as far
away as before, this is why some buddhists (and I aswell) say enlightenemnt
is a sudden thing and we do not advance towards it (only around it).
Discussion aranges our personalities to something that can accept the true
experience of Quality.
Elliot
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