--- elliot hallmark <onoffononoffon@hotmail.com>
wrote: > Andre,
>
> >>The real Quality is one that can not be
> > > explained.
> >
> >(andre)Says you. But Zen Masters do it for a
> living.
> >
> >If all people give the explaining up and
> > > try to percieve instead of philosophical
> discussions
> > > they may have some mystical experiences that
> will be
> > > more precious than just wandering among theories
> and
> > > philosophical theorems.
> >
> >(andre)The idea of discussion is an attempt at
> commonality,
> >whence, greater truths my arise. Else, from what
> you
> >say, we are each left with out personal dreams
> worlds.
> >I have no problem with that, intellectually (as
> yet),
> >yet I do in life.
> >
> >hugs,
> >Andre
>
> Elliot:
>
> Its accepted as the fundemental assumption of the
> MoQ that the Quality event
> happens before words and explanations can be formed.
> words come after.
> Because on the tree words come much further down
> than Quality, Quality
> cannot be captured in words. Quality is experience
> therefore the only way
> to truly "understand" Quality is to experience it.
> Zen masters dont
> describe Quality, they use tactics to get their
> students to experience it
> themselves. The map is not the terrain.
>
> And discussion finds commanality, but because
> Quality is before discussion,
> discussion finds only static patters when the
> unexplainable lays just as far
> away as before, this is why some buddhists (and I
> aswell) say enlightenemnt
> is a sudden thing and we do not advance towards it
> (only around it).
> Discussion aranges our personalities to something
> that can accept the true
> experience of Quality.
>
> Elliot
>
Nice one. I'd just like to say "Koans" and hope you
have a cool weekend.
Laterz,
André
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