In a message dated 6/21/02 9:51:27 PM GMT Daylight Time, pholden@sc.rr.com
writes:
> > A MoQ-based intellectual pattern of values is differs from a SOM-based
> one,
> > but it can also be seen to transcend AND include SOM-based intellectual
> > patterns of values (including science, postmodernism and ... astrology).
SOM is the product of rational thought.
But rational thought has produced a MOQ also.
The rational MOQ is better than the rational SOM because the MOQ states value
is real whereas the rational SOM cannot, without serious bias into
subjectivity.
There are no objective values in SOM, merely facts.
It
>
> > postulates the ideas (and cannot validate them itself) 1) that there is
> an
> > even more fundamental reality than objective reality (the Quality
> > experience that logically precedes the differentiation between objective
> > and subjective),
This is not a logical progression because logic is a rational activity and as
such requires facts.
One could say, 'It is low quality to regard subjects and objects as facts.'
2) that the first 'structure' inherent (and experiencable)
>
> > in his fundamental reality is 'patterns' (of values) and their
> 'stability'
> > (with as a logical opposite their 'dynamic') and
One cannot structure experience unless one has been conditioned in a culture
which values structure?
Your statement that there is a first structure is a tautology.
If you had been conditioned in a value centred culture you would not
structure at all.
It would appear that rationality is required to some degree as a tool for our
sophisticated society?
Perhaps we could say, 'There is experience from which values emerge. These
values are real and may be categorised.'
Thus, quality is the impetus for me to leap from a hot stove, and the value
of this experience is low. Stove, hot, me and leap involve a SOM
categorisation?
3) that we can experience
>
> > direction in the 'dynamics' (evolution) and hierarchy in the 'statics'
> > (un-equivalence) of this reality.
That we can postulate a MOQ.
This is the metaphysical statement you hesitate to use.
A first application of a MoQ (I hesitate
>
> > to call it a metaphysical statement itself; it should be possible to
> > validate it internally) is the statement that there are (only) four types
> > of stable patterns of values (inorganic, biological, social and
> > intellectual). A MoQ-based intellectual pattern of values can then
> include
> > SOM-based intellectual patterns of values as ... stable patterns of
> values
> > of the intellectual type that can be hierarchically and chronologically
> > ranked.
>
> > I hope this will do as a common terminology and analytical framework.
>
The analytical framework is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that a MOQ is very good?
In fact, if you excuse the use of the term, it is best?
The first application of the MOQ is ethical, not analytical.
All the best,
Squonk.
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