Jhmau, Glenn, all
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Jhmau:
> what I do is not what I wish to do,
> but something which I hate.
Some morning I *hate* waking up and go to my job. Nevertheless, I wake up
every morning and go to my job. I'm mad? No. I'd hate much more let my
little daughter live in poverty.
Hate and Wish..... Evil and Good..... No. There is only Good. Something is
more valuable than something else.
>TELOS and
> FREEDOM are connected.
Only if you have the freedom to choose, you can design your purpose.
Otherwise, you are the victim of someone else's purpose.
Of course, it is never automatic to get the designed result. Our "telos" is
interconnected with the other's.
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Hi Glenn, thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I think DQ is a natural force that goes beyond the *laws of nature* we
intellectually create to explain Nature. The fault is in the laws we create,
that, by their *nature*, are not what Nature does.
It is not DQ a "ghost incompatible with the laws of nature". Intellectual
*laws of nature* are not perfectly compatible with DQ. Or, if you want, they
are not perfectly compatible with Nature itself!
Naturally yours,
Marco
>
> MARCO:
> >>(by the way, Glenn, I refuse DQ is supernatural, IMO its natural as
nature
> >>is just another name for Quality. This is important here.)
>
> DQ is supernatural according to the first two definitions in the American
> Heritage Dictionary and a careful reading of Lila.
>
> supernatural:
> 1.Of or relating to existence outside the natural world.
> 2.Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond
> natural forces.
>
> Pirsig refers to DQ as a "value-force" in Ch. 24(?), and he tries
> to argue that the laws of nature are sometimes violated or circumvented
> in cases where life decides to follow DQ instead.
>
> A person who believes strongly in ghosts and can convince himself that
some
> theory of ghosts is compatible with the laws of nature would also think
that
> ghosts are natural. Similarly, you can agree with Pirsig that this
> "value-force" is the most natural thing in the world; or you can disagree
with
> him and equate DQ to random or unpredictable events in nature. Either way,
> DQ is natural, but the former is an MOQ position and the latter is an SOM
> position that weaves, co-opts, and recontexturalizes the MOQ vocabulary.
> Glenn
>
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