On 15 Aug 2002 at 17:02, Gary Jaron wrote:
> Hi Bo,
> The 4th = mind, hence all internal to a single human.
> The 3rd level has both a internal and exteranl
> component. All the stuff that is internalized through
> socialization and becomes the accepted norms and
> values we beleive and the linguistic system we think
> in, all this is internal 4th level stuff but it came
> from society which is 3rd level.
Hi Gary
Awfully complicated this. The social level split into an external and an
internal component? The latter being 4th level stuff yet coming from the 3rd
level. No, dear Gary, once upon the time social reality was top notch and it
was not divided in any way - the external/internal is all somish rubbish - and
social value is as un-divided to-day as it was in paleolithic time.
> I see 3rd level as the public arena. the interactions
> of human beings.
> Once a human communicates a 4th level emotion or
> thought that act is a social event/act and it is 3rd
> level stuff.
The 3rd level as "public arena" and/or "interactions of human beings" isn't
very controversial, yet this value is terribly ancient, even Neanderthals lived
in societies and at that time it was communication by EMOTIONS (language
and thus "thoughts" came with the Cro Magnons it is said).
> 4th level is all internal mind.
> 3rd can be accepted culture within a human mind, hence
> 4th level and then all public interactivities of
> humans.
> Does this make sense?
Not the way I see the MOQ!
Don't mind me sounding so brusque, but I know no way of getting you on
the MOQ track.
Bo
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