MoQ is an intellectual forum. Anyone with a
non-intellectual understanding of things may find this
forum dull. It is a mainly male dominated forum ...
this is understandable. Having said that, the world
continues unabashed. However, should the MoQ
collective ever allimilate the world ... it will be a
better place ... what could be worse :)
André
--- Yaron Dishon <dishon@netvision.net.il> wrote: >
Hello all!
>
>
>
> I read several times both books of Pirsig, and have
> to admit that especially the first, ZAMM, left me in
> a deep admire.
>
> I decided to get down to it more, and for that
> reason I’ve found myself in this site and forum.
>
>
>
> As I get it, and as Pirsig writes in "Subjects,
> Objects, Data and Values" (published in MoQ site):
>
> "Quality is not a thing. It is an event. It is the
> event at which the subject becomes aware of the
> object."
>
> With this definition I believe to agree, but, I
> don't seem to truly understand what are the reasons
> led Pirsig expand this idea intonew metaphysics.
>
>
>
> In the same article, Pirsig writes: "Obviously some
> things are better than others... but what's the
> 'betterness'?",
>
> I wonder why the quoted answer by Pirsig himself
> isn't enough.
>
> Betterness, or quality, is the event of minds
> (subjects) come aware with the matter (objects), or
> in other words, it's the mental judgment of humans
> to the world around them. This judgment is built on
> all the patterns Pirsig described as "static
> patterns of value", of course. Our judgment of
> quality, or betterness, is based upon our inorganic,
> biological, social and intellectual patterns. But is
> there a reason to think that quality exists
> separately outside the human mind? Does love exist
> outside the human mind? Does greed?
>
>
>
> Why would quality have existence outside our mind?
> Does anyone else but humans feel that something is
> more valued than other? I doubt it, but
> nevertheless, I think it’s an infertile question.
> This reminds the question whether animals love each
> other, or just live together by biological
> instincts? Or does protons love neutrons?
>
> We add human verbs to the world outside us, of
> course to make it more understandable.
>
> But at the bottom-line, we, humans, are the only
> kind (known to us) that judge his world, and add the
> words “good” or “bad” to it. As we are the only kind
> to love, hate, greed or envy and so on.
>
>
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> I would be happy to receive your comments.
>
>
>
> Yaron.
>
>
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