On 19 Aug 2002 at 9:42, Platt Holden wrote:
To Gary:
> Pirsig defines mind as intellectual patterns of value. You
> internal/external split represents the intellectual pattern of SOM
> which he recognizes as having some value, but not as much value as QM.
> You tend to mix apples with oranges. I know it's hard not to think in
> terms of in/out, internal/external, interior/exterior, etc. because
> this division has been drilled into us since childhood along with the
> rest of SOM. Nor does Pirsig recommend we dispense with SOM entirely.
> But in QM, basic SOM divisions are replaced by Dynamic/static Quality
> and the hierarchy of static Quality levels.
Hi Platt
This was a good one and Gary may understand the Q idea better from it
than from mine ...that soon veer into their well-known track :-).
> > I am interested in asking the question: How do
> > you come to know the structure of reality? That question yields a
> > map of reality that focuses on the process of gaining knowledge.
> > Thus my map builds out from inside a mind. My map focuses on
> > internal/external, private/public, words/things, maps/territory.
> > What I am doing is re-arranging the parts of Pirsig's map in order
> > to answer a question other than the one Pirsig asked and answered.
> > I never intend to violate the rules of MOQ I just am shifting its
> > focus.
> The answer to your question is found in Chap. 9 of LILA where Pirsig
> describes how a baby learns. Here is the relevant passage, with
> certain portions deleted in the interests of time and space:
This one is a gem and shows how well you know the MOQ and where to
look. My response started from another angle, but says the same. I tend to
uphold the European/German "Geistwissenschaftlische" (hope the spelling
is correct) tradition and get too lofty, at times the pragmatic approach is the
best.
> Perhaps this is the nub of our disparity. My focus is on LILA where
> Pirsig changed his views on what he wrote in ZMM, his earlier work. So
> ZMM doesn't accurately reflect his metaphysics. I'd be interested to
> see how your LILA map might differ from your ZMM map.
Agree, ZMM must be handled with care.
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