From: Steve Peterson (speterson@fast.net)
Date: Thu Oct 17 2002 - 01:47:05 BST
Horse said:
> There are some good ideas within his alleged teachings but the main theme of
> Jesus'
> teachings for me for me was one of 'put up with all the crap and claim your
> reward in
> another life'.
³What is ³the good news²? That true life, eternal life, has been found‹it
is not something promised, it is already here, it is within you: as life
lived in love, in love without subtraction or exclusion, without distance.
Everyone is the child of God‹Jesus definitely claims nothing for himself
alone‹and as a child of God everyone is equal to everyone else.² Nietzche
My personal opinion is that Jesus never talked about Heaven. I think he may
have talked about a Kingdom of God that can be thought of as a social ideal
but, more importantly for me, as a salvation that is available to each of us
all the time, like DQ, like the Buddist idea of enlightenment.
Jesus spoke of ³entering it² and said that children were already inside it.
He told a scribe who answered a question well, that he was not far from it
and I don't think he meant death. He tried to describe the Kingdom where he
already lived and where we can all live in the present.
Asked when the Kingdom of God will come, Jesus said in reply, ³The coming of
the Kingdom of God cannot be observed, and no one will announce ŒLook, there
it is.¹ For behold, the kingdom of God is within you.² Luke 17:20-21
Doesn't sound like Heaven to me.
Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in
the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you,
'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is
within you and it is outside you. When you know yourselves, then you will be
known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father.
(Gospel of Thomas 3)
In trying to find Biblical support for the Jesus movement as a conflict
between intellect and society, so often I am reminded of Jesus seeming to
sidestep social level questions for something completely different that few
could understand and I have trouble seeing as intellectual improvements on
social code.
Which law is the greatest? Out of all our social code, what rule is most
important? None of the above. Love God. DQ. If you don't know what this
means, then love your neighbor, you'll get there.
Should we pay our taxes to the Romans or be true to our Jewish society?
Give to Caesar what is Caesar's. Give to God what is God's. (What belongs
to God? Everything!) Talk about tapping into DQ!
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