From: Erin Noonan (enoonan@kent.edu)
Date: Thu Oct 24 2002 - 17:10:34 BST
>> > HORSE: In everyday use the term has strong connotations of condemnation
based
>> > on perceptions of a social nature. However within the MoQ it is at the
root of
>> > our interaction with the world on all levels.
>>
>> ERIN: Okay but if a judgement has a bad connotation in everyday use then
>> when talking with somebody not familiar with MOQ wouldn't it be better to
use
>> a neutral word such as discrimination?
>
HORSE:>I think discrimination has even worse connotations. I have no real
problem with the term
>judgement.
ERIN: maybe i meant distinguish..okay this probably
largely semantics....I think it may have to do
with judgemental being a personality characteristic
HORSE:
>This brings us back to the original point. Our actions (behaviour) define us
in the world >and it is the interaction of our behaviours that provides the
basis for our moral >judgements.
>However I agree with Wim that we always hold something back so any judgement
is
>contingent as a result but this does not make if invalid merely incomplete.
ERIN: well in a lot of judgements you only see a very
limited and superficial view of the person and so for a lot of times would say
it more then just incomplete......inadequate (kind of like a
doctor being given 3 minutes to diagnose a disease)
HORSE: I also don't believe that our judgements are being made on a micro
level. Interaction is >dynamic and I don't see that we make our judgements on
this level but from what falls
>out of this - which are static patterns of value. These are the main patterns
we perceive >and use to make sense of the world. Our means of ordering the
world (creating it as we
>move through it) is a process of judging. Judging others happens to be part
of this
>process.
>
ERIN: Okay I can agree with this. I do think
of a little 'Horse essence' or 'Horse gist' of
you so there is an overall interaction.
What I was thinking of was when Pirsig talks
about how a person labelled as insane doesn't label
the idea is insane.
There is a separation of ideas from the person here.
Maybe judgements aren't usually made on a microlevel
but maybe there should be more effort to do so.
It would help to move away from celebrity promotion of ideas
to more focus on the ideas themselves.
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