From: Elizaphanian (Elizaphanian@members.v21.co.uk)
Date: Fri Oct 25 2002 - 12:42:46 BST
Hi Davor,
A brief response:
> What IMO is happening now the intpov cannot protect
> itself(enough) from biological influences as they are no longer
constrained
> by the social mechanisms, this results in greed, hatred for the freedom of
> others, indifference towards society, consumerism etc. It is the other
side
> of moral progression, that is why have my reservations towards the
> Hallelujah Individual going on right here.
> DEGENERATION>>>>DEGENARATION(f^%ck, Im turning into a conservative!)
>
I hope you're not thinking I'm arguing for a 'hallelujah individual'
ideology here. On the contrary, my understanding of 'individual' is
something that is both developed and bounded by the concept of
arete/virtue/dharma. And your final remark there is appropriate, to my way
of thinking.
> Davor:
>
> I remember vaguely reading something about that but it's fuzzy. Can you
> explain what you actually mean by it? What do you see as the main
difference
> between intellectual consensus and aggregated choices of individuals?
>
>
> Davor, who wants to go to church for the first time in his life
>
I shall quote myself (!), from the 'conservatism' thread:
In Pirsig's terms, my point is that those ideas advanced as being more
'rational' are not necessarily better - that they are established by SOM
logic (or another ideology), rather than being of higher quality. As Pirsig
writes in ZMM, he objects to "the tendency to do what is "reasonable" even
when it isn't any good".
So in other words, democracy can work as an aggregation of communal
(non-intellectual) perceptions of quality, even when an intellectual
consensus can say that the majority are wrong.
Sam
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