From: Erin N. (enoonan@kent.edu)
Date: Tue Oct 29 2002 - 16:40:35 GMT
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>DMB,
>
>> Sam agreed with Steve:
>> Although doubtless some would say I too have a poor grasp of the MoQ given
>> this campaign, I think you've understood it well. I particularly agree with
>> you when you say: "The four levels of Value (not values) are not types of
>> things but ways of valuing." I think that's very important (and I tried to
>> shape my level-four proposal according to that understanding in my most
>> recent substantial post).
>>
>> DMB says: I think its safe to include consent of the governed to this
>> list...
>> "The MOQ says that what is meant by "human rights" is usually the moral
code
>> of intellect vs. society, the moral right of intellect to be free of social
>> control. Freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, of travel, trial by jury,
>> habeas corpus, government by consent - these "human rights" are all
>> intellect vs. society issues. According to the MOQ these "human rights"
have
>> not just a sentimental basis, but a rational, metaphysical basis. They are
>> essential to the evolution of a higher level of life from a lower level of
>> life. They are for real." page 307
>>
>> It is true that each level represents a level of awareness, but Pirsig is
>> also talking about ontological reality. The MOQ paints them as one and the
>> same so that even something as mundane as a chair is composed of little
>> moral orders. He even claims that his MOQ is exhaustive, that everything in
>> the world can fit into it. Its about the real world...
>>
>Steve says:
>Though every thing is composed of moral orders, this isn't necessarily the
>same as saying that every thing is either an inorganic, a biological, a
>social, or an intellectual thing. Or is it?
>
>Steve
>
>
Pirsig talks how these could be thought of as 4 encyclopedia into which
everything would fit. I think for it is a good as a guide but it would be
pretty arrogant to assume that there are not higher levels that we are not
aware of.. So I think as our awarness of the intellectual level develops we
could see that there are more...It's hard to say if something belongs in the
fourth level when you are not really clear what the fourth level is..
erin
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