From: Buff .. (buffinasia@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Oct 30 2002 - 17:14:25 GMT
JBM wrote:
Regarding the Russian use of a chemical agent to overcome a gang of
Chechen terrorists:
Logic says that this was almost certainly a violation of international
conventions on chemical weapons.
Reason says that this was no war crime.
Jonathan
Buff:
The Russian nation was totally morally correct in wishing to control the
threat to its particular individual components and it’s dynamic capacity to
develop.
The Speznaz Special forces were totally morally correct in planning to kill
any terrorists threateneing the social patterns of value which hold together
the nation that they represent.
The terrorists' dynamic individual/intellectual patterns of value had no
moral right to destroy biological patterns of value for it’s own ends. These
biological units did not threaten the dynamic social patterns of value that
the terrorists are attempting to make into static social patterns. The
terrorists did not make evident any social static latching of their ideals,
in fact they damaged their dynamic capacity a change the social pattern of
value (the nation) which they are opposed to the present operation of; the
Russian nation is less likely to consider their pleas after this incident.
The representatives of the nation: the Speznaz special forces; were totally
morally wrong to kill the 100+ members of their nation like the terrorist
would have done had they succeeded but totally morally correct in preserving
the life of the 500+ theatre goers that did not die by the BZ gas.
When a high quality social unit like a nation takes decisions that
detrimentally affect itself, it must come under scrutiny to find the better
patterns of value that support resolution of similar situations with no such
problems, in this case the nation must look to it’s appointed agent; the
special forces, and scrutinise their ‘modus operandi’ (methods of
operation). There does appear to be a problem in this area, the Speznaz
tried an original method, (no problem there – these agents are cutting edge
and are expected to be able to envisage and effect original solutions to
dire situations) but they did so with one which broke international
conventions on the use of Chemical Weapons (this is why there is no official
confirmation of the composition of the gas used). Had this gas done what
they expected and ‘knocked out’ all of the theatre occupants without killing
any, the Speznaz & Putin,would have been national heroes. There were no
heroes, however, many died; the dosage used was calculated for use on fit
and healthy battle ready enemy soldiers in the open, with heavy dispersal of
the gas expected by winds, not on frail, unfed, tired & abused civilians.
Either the Russian Nation as appointers of the Speznaz is to blame for the
deaths or the Speznaz themselves are, either way it boils down to the same
thing: The Russian nation murdered those innocents, and this harms the
quality of that nation. In this scenario Russia has chosen to attempt to
protect it’s biological patterns of value while risking social stability &
deconstructing the strengh of its social value, this is an immoral act, well
intentioned but not the actions of a society in total control of itself,
more the actions of individuals in control of society!
Certain static patterns of value must be in place in agents acting in a
nationally sanctioned dynamic manner (especially when the focus of the world
is on the situation), and one of these unshakable static patterns of value
must be adherence to international law. By such, a nation becomes better.
A human life is precious, but society is more precious
A solution which used specifically lawful methods to enforce good, rather
than chaotic methods to resolve the problem would have been better for the
Nation. (although considerably worse for the civilians – many more would
probably have died). Even if the terrorists had managed to detonate their
explosive harnesses and had killed every last man woman and child, in the
theatre, as long as the Speznaz were raiding the building with Conventional
weapons at their disposal in accordance with international law ( and hell it
is quite flexible on these things - it allows terrorist to be killed if
necessary), the Nation would have been better off, this thing is not about
numbers of civilian casualities it’s about the role and quality of a Nation.
The Russians are acting more like the terrorist themselves,
.rather than a member of an international organisation of countries. I
cannot see much difference between the Terrorist using whatever method is
necessary to attempt to statically latch its individual/intellectual
society-modifying patterns of value, to the Russian Nation using whatever
method necessary to preserve the present static social patterns and some
biological components thereof. Both were willing to kill indiscriminately.
Is this a war crime? Chechnya and Russia are at war and using chemical
weapons to kill the enemy is a crime, I believe those are the two
requirements.
This scenario is indicative of the stagnating development, perhaps even
degradation, of Russian society.
Let’s hope that this is a secluded incident rather than the another step
towards anarchy
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