Jonathan,
I wrote:
<< >"If DQ is the "cutting edge of experience" that contains all the "infinite
possibilities of the universe", then we are attempting to define and
limit DQ if we assign a finite purpose to the universe. ..."
Jonathan responds:
<<"I think that it isn't appropriate to say DQ "contains" anything. DQ
isn't a container. It is a driving force. Things are made possible by a
combination of DQ and static patterns which facilitate realization."<<
Jonathan, I am a lazy typist. On 254 of ZMM, Pirsig writes "Romantic Q is the
cutting edge of experience." He then goes on to say pretty much what you
did....."The leading edge is where all the action is. The leading edge
contains all the infinite possibilities of the future." Quite similar to my
snippet but clearer when not abbreviated. But I tend to agree with your
criticism on the word "containing" when applied to the infinite and the
indefinite. When "something" contains "everything", does it contain itself?
And if so , are we any closer to defining?........Nope.
The point of my admittedly "stuck" posting concurs with your
observation......We can't define the infinite indefinite.....and most
attempts, even Pirsig's , limit it. But to not attempt probably limits it
too!
Jonathan also says:
<< "It strikes me that FUTURE is the container of all possibilities, while
PAST is the container of realised possibilities. PRESENT is dynamic
realisation. This is the sharp cutting edge of our common experience.
It's only when we get down to the quantum scale that the sharp edge
starts to look dull. That means that the present is more than
infinitesimal, but diffuses along the time axis." >>
Didn't you also post some intriguing observations on time flow and the 2nd law
of Thermodynamics last month? Though I didn't respond, I continue to be
fascinated by DQ and Now and time. In my comments to Diana yesterday, I
mentioned the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum theory. Although I
wouldn't argue for or against it.....I think you are much more qualified than
I am.........the rumor is that the elite Quantum Cosmologists take this
position very , very seriously.
As I understand this interpretation, time doesn't exist at all.......just an
infinite array of universes. Everything that can happen does happen. In this
case, value becomes equated not with "possibilities" , but with
"probabilities."
Roger
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