hello everyone
Roger writes:
Diana challenges :
<<
> If you can prove (in an som context) that DQ exists in both the
> subject and the object then the subject-object metaphysics
> collapses, because in the subject-object metaphysics you cannot have
> a phenomenon that exists in both categories - and the only solution
> to it is to conclude that the categories are wrong.
>>
I like this premise and would like to add some thoughts:
First, I do believe that the proof, if it can be found, lies in Quantum
Physics.Or perhaps in chaos or complexity theory? The cutting edge of these
fields (thx for the insights Glove), go beyond the underlying assumptions of
SOM.
Diana writes:
Nobody would be happier than Diana than if the world would accept the
intuitive idea of DQ. True, some people do. But far too many don't. And
the reason they don't is because it goes against their objective immune
system.
Roger, first let me say both you are welcome and thank you too for the
acknowledgement. sometimes i feel my words are like raindrops
pitter-pattering on the tin-roof of eternity. the little pitter-patters do
not care if anyone is listening or not...they just keep pitter-pattering
away! :)
i believe the attempt to 'prove' anything is a symptom of subject/object
thinking or classical theory. if we take anything at all from quantum
theory, it is that. the email of mine you refer to is where i attempt in
some little way to explore the philosophical differences between some of the
men who were instrumental in formulating quantum theory as we know it today.
perhaps that is one starting point in beginning to form an understanding or
an agreement with the Metaphysics of Quality. but i really dont think we
will find any proof of anything in chaos or complexity theory. i think we
will only find agreements.
Diana, you have to remember Phaedrus is the wolf down from the mountains.
that is why Pirsig calls metaphysics the high country. what i find
fascinating about Bohr's idea of complementarity in relation to Pirsigs
Metaphysics of Quality is that it is so little understood and yet it
permeates our reality in ways we dont even realize. we learned all about
Bohr's discoveries as kids! we grew up with HIS idea of the atom in our
heads whether we realize it or not.
Bohr was deeply disappointed that complementarity did not gain a
philosophical foothold as he knew it in his lifetime. none of us really
understand what it is we are dealing with here in the Lila Squad any more
than Bohr and Einstein did when they were discussing quantum theory through
their "thought experiments". but for some reason we are each drawn here to
discuss ideas and share our thoughts and hopefully gain some value out of it
all. if Bohr looked at his philosophy from that point of view, i think he
would have not been disappointed in how everything turned out.
perhaps that is the fate of any 'real' theory of metaphysics if it is to be
successful. it fades into the background through a network of philosophical
channels and quietly forms its static latches. in this fashion intellectual
patterns of value are able to take advantage of the values at the social
level to create higher value situations for itself. the ever-regenerating
wheel of life...do you think?
best wishes to everyone,
glove
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