Who looks outside, dreams;
Who looks inside, awakes.
~*~Carl Jung~*~
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From: glove <glove@indianvalley.com>
To: moq_discuss@moq.org <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Date: Friday, October 16, 1998 5:09 PM
Subject: MD What is Dynamic Quality
>hello everyone
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>Lithien wrote:
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>isn't our discussion on what DQ is, all about semantics then? a question of
>language rather than a quantifying answer? isn't language all we have which
>leads us in the direction of SOM thinking?
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>i ask again, has anyone been able to figure out a way to avoid SOM thinking?
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>Hi Lithien
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>it seems to me that only by the careful phrasing of language can we skirt
>around the issue of subject/object thinking, and in order to do that we must
>first agree on the proper terminology. the only way to agree in this way is
>to re-examine many of the primary assumptions we make in dealing with
>reality in an everyday fashion.
glove, Pirsig says in Lila:
No two brains can merge physically, and therefore no two people can ever really communicate except to the mode of ship's radio operators sending messages back and forth in the night. A scientific, intellectual culture had become a culture of millions of isolated people living and dying in little cells of psychic solitary confinement, unable to talk to one another, really, and unable to judge one another because scientifically speaking it is impossible to do so. Each individual in his cell of isolation was told that no matter how hard he tried, no matter how hard he worked, his whole life is that of an animal that lives and dies like any other animal. He could invent moral goals for himself, but they are just artificial inventions. (Lila p.323)
it is so hard to make other people understand you because language is such a slippery thing. you may be sure of what it means to you...but not to someone else. how carefully can we phrase our language to avoid SOM? it seems to me that the function of language is to identify what lies outside yourself! that is SOM. isnt it?
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>this examination entails looking into just what subject/object thinking is
>and how it has come to dominate our realities.
let's do that...let's look at SOM and how it has come to dominate our reality. what language would you choose to define it?
thank you for answering one of the masses, glove...lol
lithien
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