Hi Roger
Let's take one thing at a time then
RISKYBIZ9@aol.com wrote:
>
> I don't know. Jonathan recently refeered to "cartographic exercises" which
> are like our mental recreations or memories of experience. I think this is
> where the static Q experience emerges. Experience is pure value, pure DQ.
> Static value is the cartographic output.
The rest of your post builds on this assumption, but you have to show
that this assumption is correct first.
> We map the patterns emerging from the underlying dynamic interactions. But
> without the underlying dynamic there is nothing. For example, higher level
> patterns such as communism, QP, and Catholicism emerge from the underlying
> dynamic. If you could freeze the underlying dynamic ( the people), then
> these emergent static patterns collapse to nothingness.
>
> In the same sense, life is an emergent static pattern arising from inorganic
> dynamics. Stop the dynamics, and life ends instantly. At the inoganic
> level, matter emerges from the underlying quantum patterns. No underlying
> dynamics, no matter.
>
> **HERE COMES THE GOOD PART**:
> Physicists believing in SOM have now gotten to the quantum level and they find
> 'nothing'. No 'thing' can be found . There is nothing left but the dynamic.
>
> This is what has created the reality quandary in physics. They delved so deep
> into reality that they went beyond objects and static patterns. They went
> beyond their own description of reality. But not beyond the MOQ's
> description.
>
> Below are how quantum physicists have attempted to explain reality, along with
> why we see no conflict in the MOQ.
>
> 1) There is no deep reality. In the Copenhagen interpretation, Bohr
> insisted that "There is no quantum world. There is only abstract quantum
> description." Heisenberg dismissed any possibility "that new experiments will
> lead us back to objective events in time and space."
>
> Clearly, they got beyond the SOM definition of reality. All they were left
> with was the underlying dynamic, but they lacked our terminology to define it.
> QP doesn't fit within their reality , it fits perfectly in ours.
>
> 2)Reality is created by observation. The Copenhagen interpretation also
> involves the collapse of the wave function with observation. In MOQ we can
> explain this without resorting to Idealism. That with no value doesn't exist.
> Value creates the subject and the object. The value interaction is
> collapseable into cartographic output.......a map of reality. Since maps and
> emergent patterns are reality in SOM, observation seems to have a mystical
> reality-creating element . MOQ eliminates the dillemna.
>
> 3) Consciousness Creates Reality A stricter definition of #2. Again in MOQ,
> we see that consciousness creates the static maps mistaken for reality in SOM.
>
> 4)Reality Is Undivided Wholeness **ALL REFERENCE TO CAPRA PERMANENTLY DELETED
> HERE! ** The inseparability of subject and object is a basic standard in MOQ.
> This makes no sense in SOM.
> **AND FINALLY **:
> 5)The Many Worlds Interpretation This is needed to explain how quantum
> 'things' such as photons are influenced by other potential photons. If all
> that exists is 'things', then to explain quantum interference at the single
> photon level, they created additional 'things' and additional universes to
> interact.
>
> In MOQ, the underlying reality is 'value'. The interference pattern and the
> photon are emergent. Both are cartographic output. **MOQ ELIMINATES THE NEED
> TO INVENT COUNTLESS UNIVERSES**
>
> In summary, quantum physics took scientists beyond the Subject Object
> Metaphysics and their concept of reality. It exposed them to the pure Dynamic
> without any emergent patterns to mistake for 'things'. The Metaphysics of
> Quality is the solution to their problem.
Yup, the whole post rests on it. Justify the value vs map assumption
first, then we can talk.
Diana
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