hi again bodvar and jay:
what i tried to say before is that the value that MOQ holds for me is that
it solves the platipi. all those seemingly unsolvable issues that are not
much more rationally explained if one follows Pirsig's line of thought and
accepts his premises.
Lithien
http://members.tripod.com/~lithien/Lila2.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Bodvar Skutvik <skutvik@online.no>
To: moq_discuss@moq.org <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Date: Sunday, October 25, 1998 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: MD Advocacy, oops
Stricklin, Jay delivered a message on Thu, 22 Oct 1998
that impressed me greatly. It was obviously nothing that you pulled
off your sleeve at the spur of the moment, but a well thought out
and formulated piece.
.....snip, snip....
> The later part of ZMM is written in the context of everyday life, simple
> rules of thumb for daily existence. Most everybody has (hopefully) been
> taught these things, its simple common sense.. Do people choose to follow
> these tenets? Obviously, not. The world in large part is still a brutal,
> ignorant, inefficient place. The ideas Pirsig expresses about conducting
> work flow, and building Quality into life are excellent, but in my brief
> experience of the discussion of advocacy, nobody has discussed professing
> those kinds of things. They don't quite provide the thrill of the
ultimate
> that attracts so many of us to this way of thinking. If you were to share
> any of this with a general public in hopes of a positive result, wouldn't
it
> be a reiteration of the same things people have been taught their whole
> life. Might it scare off those budding thinkers in the throes of youthful
> nihilism that this movement relies upon, and send them searching out truth
> and substance in a more "Dynamic" format
There are possibly as many approaches to "the search for truth" as
there are individuals: Some are attracted by great general
statements, some by practical applications. As for myself once I
understood what Pirsig hinted to (and in ZMM it was pretty vague) it
was all solved, I never for one moment stop to think I what I am
doing is "Quality" or not; the relief of the missing clothing of
the SOM emperor being exposed was more than enough for me. From then
on it was plain going.
> I'm still digesting the idea of these levels leading towards quality. Do
> those of you who are interested in advocating this system (if this is even
> an audience here) plan to say that intellectuality is at the top of some
> sort of spiritual/metaphysical food chain, because that is the way I think
> it will be heard, and I can see that going over real well. I think if
> anything were to obstruct the dissemination and mingling of some of the
more
> complex principles within MoQ, it would be the public's response to the
> sound of those kinds of statements.
What's the best way of promoting the MOQ? My humble opinion is that
the Quality idea will sell itself, there is no other way forward and
it will be conceived by many different thinkers in many different
shapes. No particular policy or missionary activity is needed except
us keeping up the discussing about its ramifications.
Also, Jay (if I understand you correctly) you are probably right
about the metaphysical "food chain" of Matter, Life, Society and
Intellect will be grasped rather easily. This notion is not very
original or shocking (except for "Society" in Pirsig's sense), look
to Ken Wilber for instance. But it worries me a little because the
MOQ's "soul" is the very first rejection of the Subject-Object
division (while Wilber keeps up the notorious Western idea that
existence is a gradual "spiritualization" of matter).
Thanks for an interesting letter.
Bodvar
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