hello everyone
Donny wrote 10/28/98 at 1:56pm :
As I view it, Poincare's rule of "conventionalism" still applies to the MoQ.
I
do not believe that the 4 ststic levels are "given," or "out there." I
think
this is a system not unlike euclideian geomitry. Their are numerous ways we
could divide it up. The shape the 4 or 5 or 10 levels take all depends on
how
we make cuts w/ our analytic knife. The question is: what is the most
convinent, usefull, functional way to do it. Nobody uses non-euclidian
geometry to build a house, but euclideian geomitry is poorly limiting when
mapping space tensors (or so I hear).
Donny, i agree whole heartedly.
Donny wrote:
Am I to interpret those of you who say society is of higher moral value than
"intellecet" as meaning that we should not resort to rational, [relative]
objectivity when setteling social debates? Should we insted resort just to
social class? Force? I'm afraid you crowd are going to have a very hard
time
selling your version of the MoQ to the public, indeed.)
Donny, hopefully none of my writings have inferred that social patterns of
value are higher than intellectual patterns of value, for i agree with
Pirsig. the Metaphysics of Quality gives us a device for seeing how these
patterns interact with one another. because i say we NEED social patterns of
value does in no way negate the need of intellectual freedom. if social
patterns are disrupted by war or economic depression, intellectual patterns
of value are disrupted as well.
and Donny writes:
But now, today, we live in more enlightened times, right? Because we hold
that social statuss has no bareing on proof.
Donny, i tend to agree with you to a point, and yet we most certainly do use
social status as a means of 'proving' something. if we didnt, people wouldnt
struggle for years to obtain advanced degrees, which i am sure you would
agree with. it seems to me learning that knowledge is a social level pattern
of value, while using what has been learned turns into an intellectual
pattern of value.
best wishes to all,
glove
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