Hello xcto
<< "Phadrus thought that the Metaphysics of Quality could be a replacement
for
>the paralyzing intellectual system that is allowing all this destruction
>(moral-less objectivisim) to go unchecked. The paralysys of America is
the
>paralysis of moral patterns."(pg 351)
>I hate when i cant find the quotes...How many pages are in your copy???
I>f all of this Moq stuff holds water, something, probably not the MoQ, is
>going to fill this gap. I content that the Moslem faith is significant
> contender. I see, not so much Moslem Ideals, but the hybrid, race tension
> fuled "happening" in popular western culture, which what is "happening" in
> western culture has undisputedly had an enormous influence over the rest
of
> the (connected) world.
>Gap? I assume you are talking about the difference between the "moralless
>objectivity" and reality. How does the social context of the Moslem faith
>have anything to do with it?
xcto, You assume that our objectives are the same. Did you miss Pirsig's
illumination of the social chaos that has occurred as a result of SOM. Note
in the quote from my original post that it reads the "Paralyses of America"
not the paralyses of "the intellectual community of who-says, that are
fighting it out in a temporal intellectual battle between SOM and MoQ." I
was using Pirsigs words to illustrate the real, every day devastation that
the SOM has wrought on American culture, and the dim possibility of the
Moslem faiths role in the next latching on, and the fact that if all of this
is true, there will most likely be some moral system (if not the MoQ) that
will play a role in either the current systems collapse, or its "ka-chink"
forward towards quality. Evolution's journey towards quality, has by proof
of the history of events, not always been a pretty one, and I just wanted to
throw this possibility out. Its not easy to try and look into the future.
>"It is this intellectual pattern of amoral "objectivity" that is to blame
>for the social deterioration of America, because it has undermined the
>static social values necessary to prevent deterioration" This sounds like
> the canvas of a culture in need to "latch on" and some of these new
American
.>interpreted Moslem values are definitely void of "objetivisim" of possibly
>any value.
>I don't understand this. The five pillars of Islam are very explicit, but
>they don't solve the "objective" problem any better than Christianity or
>Buddhism or others. When you look at the "values" of any religion they are
>all Social Static Patterns. They may work very well in Biological control,
>But can you tell us specific values that coiuld be used to dynamically
improve
>the Social or Intellectual Levels of the USA?
I wasn't claiming that they did. I'm simply postulating that maybe culture
as a collective of humans making decisions, may be keenly aware of the
deficit of a moral system, (look at the rhetoric in the commentary section
of newspapers) but they may not always choose the best solution for the
problem. Look at history. Everything doesn't always make sense, except in
retrospect, and often not even then.
>I think that it is an important fact that African Americans that
are in prison
>find a culture that can allow them to more easily integrate in
society and
>doesn't compromise they're own beliefs. I think that a comparable
number of
>prisoners find god as born-again Christians. In both cases, I
believe that
>individuals are better prepared to participate in society because
of previous
>low value social patterns. I still can't see how it solves
America's
>problems.
I agree!!!! I'm not criticizing people getting their lives back together.
Currently there is no problem. This post was for discussion's sake only.
You see, I spent time in prison, and I have seen first hand how mindlessly
many of the inmates "pantomimed" Moslem ritual. My fiancee is Jewish, you
should see the look on her face when the Name Faracon enters a conversation.
All you need to become a tyrant is an ego, charisma and God on your side and
mindless followers in America seem to be a dime a dozen.
I must stress I know little about the Moslem faith, and even less about
Minister Faracon, and I have always believed that there is much more to
people than meets the eye, these are concerns i'm expressing. Again
history....the atrocities.
Thanks for your comments xcto, I will read them again, and will also tell
you how many pages are in my copy of Lila, a re-read around those quotes in
light of what I have said may make it easier for you to see why I embarked
on this tangent.
Jay
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