A FINLAY wrote on Thu, 12 Nov 1998:
> Hi,
> I'm new to the group so I guess I should intro duce myself. My name
> is Alex Finlay and I live in South Carolina. I read ZMM in spring 98
> and then Lila. I loved them. They gave me a whole new way to look at
> the world around me. Anyway I was looking on the internet for things
> a bout Lila and I stumbled on your little group. So far it seems
> great. One thing that I was wondering was are there any "rules"
> though this list, for example I noticed that the subjects have "MD"
> in front and things like that. Or any common courtesy thing I may not
> know about. Anyway, the reason I was looking on line in the first
> place is because I had some questions about MoQ that I've been
> wondering about.
Alex & Group.
Nice to meet you Alex. Being the old one (64) I feel called upon to
answer your questions. I see that Fintan Dunne already has done so,
but how much I love Fintan's great sweeps it's too etheral (esotheric
perhaps) for your liking :-).
> (1) How does MoQ define truth. I know that Empiricism defines it as
> anything received by the senses or derived from them, And Pirsig said
> that MoQ subscribes to empiricism, But How does MoQ Define Truth?
LILA says somewhere that truth is an Intellectual Pattern of Value.
That is, among the highest values there are, but static all the same.
I don't know how deep you understanding of the MOQ is; it may sound
obvious or incomprehensible, I'll wait for your reaction before
saying more, but experience as value as truth as reality - YES!
> (2) The next one is, is it moral to steal bread (low social Quality)
> if you are about to die of hunger(low biological Quality). the
> problem is that if the biological being dies, so do the social and
> intellectual ones, so wouldn't that me social Quality indirectly
> undermining intellectual?
I think you have got it right: a higher value level is superior, but
when it comes to life or death a living organism - even a human being
- dynamically - may drop down to the bare biological level
(survival). A drowning person will do anything to stay afloat (called
panic in SOM) and yet the higher values are extremely strong and may
override the lower (instincts in SOM) and make the drowning give
his piece of flotsam to the other person ...or the starving to to
give away the last crumb.
> (3) From what I've heard about Quantum Physics it sounds to me like a
> tier below chemical,(Quantum seems to be a completely different level
> obeying completely different laws) this has probably been answered
> long before now but I haven't seen it yet.
The Quantum Physics? Personally I am not fond of notions of levels
below the Inorganic - if that is what you mean? In the beginning of
the discussion there was much ado about it, and it has flared up
from time to time. To me the quantum realm is the fringe zone where
Inorganic order staves off chaos. There are such zones at the bottom
at all levels where it is impossible to tell what is old or new
value: For instance to distinguish between non-living or living,
between living and society and between society and intellect.
> (4) Along the same vein could MoQ be a higher tier (Quality Realizing
> that it exists?) because it seems to be a completely different level
> than intellectual
Great thinking Alex! This idea was forwarded by one other "oldie"
(:-)) Platt Holden and makes a lot of sense, yes, IMHO it is simply
necessary! How the MOQ is to become a new moral latch OF ITSELF
may look like puzzle, I usually just call it "quality" to avoid
paradoxes, but all suggestions are welcome.
> (5) This last one has been puzzling me for a while. How, in a value
> based universe, did SOM even come to exist. to me it's obvious that
> MoQ is of much higher value
This is also highly interesting, and my idea is that the puzzle is
solved by seeing subject-object metaphysics as the Intellectual level
of the MOQ! I have called it the SOTAQI (newly changed to SOLAQI
(subject-object thinking (or logic) as Q-Intellect). Seen thus it's
no wonder how SO - M came to be, and how it came to attain the
metaphysical part AS IT IS.
Bodvar
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