MD forces of value=struction

From: glove (glove@indianvalley.com)
Date: Sun Nov 15 1998 - 23:19:48 GMT


hello Roger and everyone

i have come across a very short reference to something Pirsig explores very
little in Lila and which i may be interpreting in a round-a-bout way as well
when i introduced the word "struction". on page 178 in my paperback, about
1/2 way thru chapter 12, he writes:

What, after all, is the likelihoood that an atom possesses witin its own
structure enough information to build the city of New York? Biological and
social and intellectual patterns are not the possession of substance. The
laws that create and destroy these patterns are not the laws of electrons
and protons, and other elementary particles. The forces that create and
destroy these patterns are the forces of value.

my comments:

we talk alot about patterns of value here in the Lila Squad, but very little
about forces of value.
patterns of value are static but imbibed with forces of value which seem to
be quanton in nature. in an earlier email i named these forces of value as
struction. forces of value are the con-struction and de-struction of
patterns of value.

let me attempt to introduce forces of value, or struction, into the analog
of the Metaphysics of Quality. inorganic force of value is de-struction,
while the biological and social forces of value are con-struction.
intellectual force of value is truth from any static pattern of value and is
de-struction.

in his paper Subjects, Objects, Data and Values, Pirsig writes:

The blocks are organized in the order of evolution, with
     each higher block more recent and more Dynamic than the
     lower ones. The block at the top contains such static
     intellectual patterns as theology, science, philosophy,
     mathematics. The placement of the intellect in this position
     makes it superior to society, biology and inorganic patterns
     but still inferior to Dynamic Quality. The Metaphysics of
     Quality says there can be many competing truths and it is
     value that decides among them. This is the very essence of
     William James' philosophy of Pragmatism which Bohr
     greatly admired. The name "Complementarity" itself
     means there can be multiple truths.

my comments:

here Pirsig is talking about patterns of value and not forces of value. if
patterns of value are static quality, are forces of value Dynamic Quality?
if so, then they are of higher moral value than are the static quality
patterns of value and should supercede any notion of stasis within the
levels.

therefore i dont really think there is a contradiction between what i am
saying about the intellect as a de-struction and how Pirsig describes the
Metaphysics of Quality. as he says, it contains the many truths while
letting value decide what is most moral.

best wishes to all,

glove

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