XCTO TRIES TO KEEP THE LEVELS OF MOQ UNCHANGED AND ARGUES THAT BIOLOGICAL MIND
IS A SOCIAL LEVEL CONCEPT. ALSO SUGGESTS THE IDEA OF MIND CONNECTED TO THE
MYTHOS VS LOGOS PHILOSOPHICAL ARGUMENT.
In a message dated 11/15/98 8:32:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, findunne@iol.ie
et al. wrote:
>Thanks to Rick who helped me realise that intellectualism IS the
>enemy of society, while mind is the ancient seat of commonsense.
> There is a rooted simplicity in 'mind' which is the source of all
> wisdom and aphorism. By comparison, intellect doesn't know it
> ass from it's elbow. Time to put GOD back in place of it.
> THE ORIGINAL LEVELS AS THEY WERE BEFORE THE GREEKS WERE:
Xcto: I would say Socrates and his Academy only here.
> GOD The CREATor
XCTO: I would add TRUTH/Ordered Principles the ONE ^or GOD^
> SOCIETY The CREATive angels of Paradise/Utopia.
XCTO: I would add that intellect of the Greeks put the MOQ's ideas of "value"
here in society. This is the great mistake that caused our schism of today.
> MIND/REASON The ancient seat of commonsense aphorisms-intuitive-feminine-
Sophia.
> BIOLOGY Bodies 'n stuff
> INORGANIC Atoms
> QUANTUM God's play-dough
>The Sophists were arguing the GOOD was higher than the TRUTH. All the
dialogues of course were the Platonists, who won.
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THE LEVELS AS WE FIND THEM TODAY ARE:
> INTELLECT The recent Greek invention: A load of rubbish for nerdy
university types.
> SOCIETY Us poor schmucks under the yoke of stupid intellectualism.
> MIND/REASON The ancient seat of commonsense aphorisms-intuitive-feminine-
Sophia.
> BIOLOGY Bodies 'n stuff
> INORGANIC Atoms
> QUANTUM God's play-dough
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I myself would say that Mind is the Symbolic Tool that is the first level of
Social. My only reason is that it is not an object and I like to keep the
split as two object levels and two subject levels; its an aesthetic thing.
But my input is primarily to support the placement of the idea of mind as the
earliest governor of the biological level (and many of you (Roger?) may
rethink your concept of Biological Mind because of it) and be a judge or
intermediary of Biological Pattern conflicts. As such its been argued by many
that it must be a part of the next higher level (which would be Social). I
had presented the ideas of Vygotsky and Marx as theories that describe this as
the beginnings of sentience (mind thinking not INTELLECT WITH CAPITALS) and
social patterns (which they also say start as separate processes but later
combine and interact). I think that this is the MIND that people have been
using. I agree with the idea that this is just to clarify and not to add a
level.
And this line of thinking can be looked into in various books on Greek
philosophy as the "Mythos over Logos" concept where logic is built on
thousands of years of mythological and "common sense" pre-logic where people
have tried to explain principles in terms of what they observed over long
periods of time (sounds like modern scientific theory creation). This builds
on others in the Lila Squad in the prehistory of Society built on MIND.
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Hi Rick & Roger and Squad.
> ROGER WROTE:
> "The emergent higher level of Intellectual PoV’s includes philosophy,
> science, metaphysics, logic and truth.">>>>>>>>
> RICK:<<<<<<<<
> These are the type of things refered to by "Intellectual" and they are not
> just extensions of the BIOLOGICAL MIND.
>o Rick, they are Usurpations of Biological Mind!
>Funny, isn't it how the common man is deeply suspicious of intellectuals and
is >unable to
>grasp the convulutions of the dry, stale, intellect that is produced by
universities for consumption
mostly by those same institutions.
> No wonder! For it is the intellectuals who are destroying society. How often
have >you heard
> people say that the are at a loss to understand why Government is acting
thus and >thus- when
>"COMMONSENSE" indicates that many of these policies are plain daft!
> In Irish lore, there are thousands of "sayings" like:
> Far away hillls are green.
> Every begining is weak.
> Etc.
> These sayings are the repository of all wisdom- accessible to persons of all
levels >of intelligence
>and like unto parables in construction. Indeed, there are many parables or
fables >too in this
>type of wisdom.
>>
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