DAN RESPONDS TO RICHARD AND
KILIANS REACTIONS TO FINTAN'S
PURPOSE AND STYLE IN HIS POSTS
ANSWER: SEEK TRUTH NOT INTELLECT,
FINTAN STARTS IN ART AND ATTEMPTS
TO LIFT ESCALIBER THROUGH THE LAKE
SUCH THAT WE MAY SEE THE WHOLE TRUTH
INTELLECT CAN ONLY SEE THE LIGHT SIDE
OF TRUTH
Wow...Fintan brings people outa the walls....me included
Wow...is the discussion group finally getting somewhere? or simply reacting
to
an radical outcast?
Is Fintan self-absorbed and a blind Christian?
Does Fintan follow his Ego?
I think Fintan follows truth which is not entirely
encapsulated in intellect or reason
but also in what is revealed as art .
Richard Budd wrote in "Re: MD Thanks MoM(?)
You're ideas seem (at least to me) to be little more than a mix of
mangled, misunderstood Robert Pirsig, Christianity and some really
sketchy
"psychobabble". I wish I could point out some specifics but I didn't
save
your MoM posts and couldn't seem to locate them on the archive. I'll
watch
for the MoM rules and go over them again(I'm skeptical, but who knows?).
Who can proclaim to "understand Robert Pirsig?" RMP was also following
truth.
Richard calls Fintan "really sketchy" -then proceeds to "wish I could point
out
some (any) specifics" but threw away the posts...why did you throw them out?
What was the "intellectual" reason for throwing out the posts? What was
the true reason?
Question: "Who knows?"
Answer: truth is forever all else fails
More From Richard
You're arguing tactics are dazzling. If we like your ideas it's because
their right. If we don't, it's because their right and we're scared (or
"want to be left alone" or something). And why do I bother commenting
if
your not "getting up my nose"? That's simple, it's a DISSCUSION group.
We
discuss all of the ideas, even the bad ones.
The best and most efficent way to kill an arguement or idea is to ignore it.
"Its a disscussion group...we discuss all ideas" - bull...
If there is one thing I have learned thus far in this group is that useful
ideas reappear
and spread were as bad ones simply disappear...because they have no
value...so the
discussion group itself is a filter.
>From Kilian Betlach "MD Fintan's MoM"
Fintan, your rantings don't "get up my nose," mainly because they are
unitelligible. While I'm sure this is a condition you find desireable,
dispising as you do the intellect, it doesn't always make for a very
good post. And while I understand it is possible to convey meaning in
other ways and through other means, the fact that you are using language
means you are appealing to the intellect.
Once again Fintan is following truth not intellect.
More from Kilian
I don't mean this to be contemptuous or insulting, but in the last week
or so you have a posted a variety of seemingly misjointed "Jungian
symbols" declared it THE WAY and appoined yourself the guardian of the
orthodoxy of what is essentially a collection of poorly expressed
thoughts. You have since gone on to imply that those who don't the same
value in your thoughts as you do are people who are first, wrong and
second, do not wish "TO BE." That kind of rigidity doesn'tt sound very
dynamic to me and it doesn' make for a very good metaphysics, regardless
of what the underlying ideas may be.
I believe that the truth is very difficult to move into words...therefore
expression of such
has yet to fit into the same nice box given on a mass production level by
the media, government,
teachers, or any other static level.
Perhaps Fintan's rantings are an art.
Donald talks about art better than I could.
>From Donald T Palmgren in the post "MD ZMM-LILA"
Very few masterpieces ever make clear-cut assertions. That's part
of what makes something Art! James Joyce, Goethe, Peter Hoeg, Thomas
Mann... these are all great authers, and none of them spell everything
out
for you. They open doors, they contain possabilities... they imply. Thus
they also inspire analysis, debate, interpritation... the reader is not
a
passive entity, but a participant in the art.
"Education is not filling a pail. It's egnigting a fire!" (Ben Franklen)
This is also part of what, in the visual arts, sepperates Fine Art from
graphic design/illustration. An illustration or a poster (generally) has
to be immedeatly readable. I think it was Paul Klee (one of my favorite
artists) who said, "What is required to understand art is a chair." You
have to work w/ it, sit w/ it, live w/ it. And everyone who does that
will
be taken in a slightly different direction -- and that's GREAT! No two
people will ever interpret a great work of art in -exactly- the same
way.
Thankyou all leading me out of the passive mode.
Dan(iel)
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