ROGER STANDS FRONT AND CENTERED
Hello everyone
Roger writes:
>
>Glove,
>
>This discussion is crucial and I appreciate your concise centering. Let me
>center myself for you. Compare the differences.
>
>You wrote:
>>>>>Any theory of consciousness must start with an observer. This is
center.
>We
>experience reality by remembering it, not by experiencing reality directly.
>This is center. Static quality patterns of value are all that we can be
>aware of. This is center. Dynamic Quality appears as inconsequential
>irrelevancies between static patterns of value. This is center.>>>>
>
>I write:
>Any theory based on Radical Empiricism must start with experience. This is
>the center.
Glove:
I agree. We could also say that ANY theory must start with experience, or
value.
>Roger:
>“We’ are the subject of remembered experience. “Objects” are
>analogous experiences. Experience is all. Static patterns are derived
from
>experience.
Glove:
Actually, I might put it the other way around..."objects" are remembered
experiences, "we" are the subject of analogous experiences, and experience
is all. Static patterns are experience. We could also insert the word
"sobject" in place of both "subject" and "object" and make them
interchangable.
>Roger:
> In the MOQ, experience is referenced by the term “Quality” and
>is divided into static ,divided, conceptual experience or “sq”, and
>undivided direct experience or “DQ”. As DQ is by definition undivided and
>pre-conceptual, it is undefineable.
>
>The experience of sound creates the object and the subject,realism and
>idealism. “Sounds” are divided experiences. “Hearers” are defined as the
>subjective sound receivers and “fallen trees” are defined as objective
sound
>emitters. All the world and all of us are derived from this and other
>experiences.
Glove:
To me, sound is experience without division. Since the Metaphysics of
Quality does not subscribe to the subject/object dichotomy, sound is a
static quality pattern of value, most certainly an inorganic pattern of
value. For sound to be of value as an inorganic pattern of value to an
observer, the biological level must become aware of the sound in some
fashion. The sound may be startling and cause a person to involuntarily jump
at first, then the social and intellect levels take over, sorting and
categorizing the sound. Now there is a perceived division in the sound. If
the sound is not experienced in the first place, there is no perceived value
to it, and no division between "it" and the rest of non-experience.
>Roger.
>
>Glove, your feedback is always valued, and I am sure you can see I stole
much
>of my wording right out of yours and Ant's material, but I have a suspicion
>that it is quite possible you and I will continue to approach this
centering
>slightly differently. That is okay, as a dialogue beats a monologue six
days
>out of seven. And to be honest, I look back at some of my work just a month
>or two ago as rubbish. It is the dialogue that attracts us both....that and
>the Quality!
Glove:
Thank you for your imput Roger as I value it highly too. I think we all
approach Quality in a slightly different fashion depending upon our
individual life experiences. And I do agree that Good dialogue sure beats a
monologue any day.
>
>Thank You
>
>Rog
>
>PS -- I bought a new copy of Lila today. I read all the words off the
prior
>copy's pages. I got a teal copy this time to sit proudly beside my much
>beloved ol' purple version.......I can't wait to highlight this one
>anew......how exciting!!!!!! Which color do the rest of you have???? Which
>color is best????Or is it true that "all are good?"
Glove:
I also have the teal copy along with the old hard cover version which I
bought for a buck at the used book store, just in case someone should ask to
borrow it. I couldnt loan out my paperback version as its like your old
purple one, full of highlighted text and underlined passages. I would be
lost without it!
Best wishes
glove
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