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From: Horse <horse@wasted.demon.nl>
To: moq_discuss@moq.org <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 7:00 PM
Subject: RE: MD the Mystic
I do not accept Kevins hypothesis that there is a fifth level beyond
Intellect as he (and others) confuse and conflate the mystic (the
vessel), mysticism (the approach) and mystic experience ( -> DQ).
So far I have seen no convincing argument from Kevin to make me
believe otherwise - and I think this is the point you (Struan) were
making about mysticism?
I would imagine that the reason many on the list have not gotten
involved in this thread is not (just) because of apathy but, as I've
stated above, the position of a balance between mysticism and
rationalism is generally accepted by most.
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Hello Group,
This is in reference to the above paragraph previously posted.
I hate to interfere in the conversation but I have received a letter form
Pirsig himself
in which he stated that there is a possiblity of a "so called" level above
the intellect and
even above this mystical or dynamic quality everyone is talking about. The
problem
is that these dynamic levels can never be realized because there are so many
static levels
that pull us down from being able to understand them. In reference to the
comment that
Pirsig may be a mystic I would have to say that he is an ordinary person
just trying to explain
things for the better understanding of the people. I guess if this makes
him a mystic then he
is, however I don't really think this does make him a mystic. I would have
to say that he is
just a person pointing to mystic or dynamic realms which cannot be grasped
by the human
experience. I invite anyone to try and explain themselves if they feel that
they can grasp
any aspect of dynamic reality in a rational manner and present it to others
for
understanding. For rationalism is co-dependent on mysticism, but rationalism
is in the
human realm of understanding while mysticism is not.
Thank you,
Jason Nelson
P.S. Don't forget that rationalism doesn't exist without mysticism and vice
versa. (Up doesn't exist without
down)
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