Bob, Struan and rest of Quality lovers,
Struan wrote"
"
The simplistic arrogance of claiming that IQ tests are a good test of a universal and individual
intelligence is breathtaking. The IQ test can never be more than a localized test of one group of
people with similar education and upbringing and every pshycometrician with an ounce of honesty
knows this. One could easily devise a similar test in which Arab"
Carmen Flynn writes: Well said struan 'arrogance' was the word I was looking for last night when elg and Bob post stroke my senses. But, my fingers were moving quicker than my thoughts.
Bob Wallace wrote:
> Carmen Flynn wrote:
> >
> >First of all let me remind you both of another 'scientific fact':
> >The IQ test is not a good tool to measure 'intellect', it is a heavily biased tool to >favor whites. Heavily Biased to benefit the so call 'non-minorities'.
> Bob replies:
> This is not true. The tests have been around for over 100 and have
> evolved to the point where they are highly accurate. They are such an
> incredibly sore point they can barely be discussed.
Carmen replies: Let's use some old fashion logic here. How sure are you that those 'so called whites, whom score higher on the IQ tests' are so PURE WHITES? Do they have an 'accurate DNA testing procedure' to ensure the rest of us about their 'Biological purity? The answer: Anyone who has crossed the Atlantic in the pass 500 years is a conglomerate of 'melting pot genes'. The ones (people) that 'stay behind in Europe, could argue that they have
'more purity'; but look the mess they are in. Do you define a white person only by looks and Names? How do you know that those so called 'high intellectual levels, packed on the DNA structure of a person, didn't come from a pool of 'a black donor of Genes' or an 'Indian pool of Genes'???? How sure are you of your Whiteness????100%??? Let's swap DNA tests man! Even then, if that was possible, how do you know that the tests were accurate?????
Do you think that some of those 'white europeans' drunk and lonely sailors, coming in a Boat full of slaves from the African continent, didn't sneak down to where the female slaves were, bewitched by the beautiful Moon Light, and forced by their biological cells to 'seek reproduction'; and IMPLANTED their whites seeds in the fertile wounds of some of those black females????? Do you think those seeds got lost in the Sea???? Answer: No, they came
over to America. The beauty of it all!!! You do know what happens whenever the 'genetic pool' mixes???. A better organism is the product. ( Biology 101). There is more mixture than you think Bob, and evolution and the MoQ tells us that 'that is O.K.!!! Simple, very simple. As for the Jews (I have nothing against any race, let me clarify that), how pure do they 'think' they are. They were just another 'tribe rooming the dessert' and still are doing
that.
Since you mentioned 'your writings' ( please forgive me, I have not have time to read everything yet. It is in my plans) however I have read your paper about 'life' in another place some where in the Universe ( My compliments, very well done!, I am not being sarcastic here. O.K.?); but let's use your own argument about Life in another part of the Universe. Based on the ideas written on your paper Bob: Do you think that those 'living forms' are a
Mixture of Jews and Whites???? or just 'whites'??? ( Now, here I am using some sarcasm).
> Carmen wrote:
> >I am against affirmative action, not because of the same reasons Bob and elg and the >rest of the 'you'll be damn if you touch my Tax money to benefit such and such group'. >Affirmative action is a 'bone thrown' to minorities to make them feel like somehow >society is paying back for years of exploitation without paid. Affirmative action >doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of the Social Suffering that minority groups >have had to endure.
>
> Bob replied:
> The overwhelming majority of suffering that minority groups have had to
> suffer has been at the hands at the biological State--slavery, for
> example, or not having their natural rights protected, or being exluded
> from jobs by law. Socialism is like using poison to cure poisoning.
Carmen re-replies: No man. It was the case of 'might makes right'. The whites had better weapons. Who was using biological war fare here? You and what army is going to convince me of that twisted statement. Live the 'name calling for lower levels od debating'. Don't label me as a Socialist, I have nothing against them, but I am a 'THING THOUGHT' giving a shot at survival and the propagation of my Genes.
>
>
> Carmen wrote: I wonder how the 'whites and Jews' would score in a test
> written on any of the Asian languages?
> Bob replied:
> If they knew the languages they would do quite well. Asians in America
> who know the English language outscore whites by two points.
Carmen re-replies: We came around to a full circle. Don't 'if' me to death. Ifs, Ifs, Ifs, and more ifs. A person who can already speak your own language has already climbed to a 'higher notch' in the evolution scale. So an Asian who knows how to communicate in the English language is superior on the scale to an English person who only knows English AND vice versa... An English speaking person who knows any other language is on a higher notch on the
same scale. So there, flush those IQ test down the toilet.
>
>
> > Carmen replied: You mean to say that the American Indians went over to Europe and >'took the land by force' that belonged to the Europeans with the use of more powerful >weapons and a little help from biology (that is:'all the viruses' that the
> > American inhabitants had accumulated throughout ages.)..???? Knock!, knock!,... anyone home?
> Bob replies:
> The Europeans conquering the Indians was a violation of the Indians'
> natural rights...as I have written before. They Europeans failed to
> enforce their own natural rights position....as I have written before.
Carmen re-replies: Good!!! we agree in something!!!
> Carmen wrote:
> >What should be done about it? if anything? Nothing. Western Civilization is paying the >price for their 'blank crimes'. It is a story that is there for those who can 'see it'.
>
> Bob replies:
> Indeed the West is paying, because of their ignoring natural rights. The
> more they ignore it, the worse things will get for societies. The more
> they follow it, the better things will get...as I have written
> before...many times.
Carmen re-replies: Another thing we agree upon. The MoQ tell us that if we ignore the Lower Levels, they will come back on us with all their MIGHT and bite our little behinds!!!!
>
>
> >Carmen wrote: Que, QUE???. Sorry manito, but let me remind you 'employment' as we know it >today is another way of 'slavery'. Most employers squeeze you dry and make you think >that they are doing you a favor. That is a real crime. You guys are living in a Kaphian >:universe, please beam yourselves down.
>
> Bob replies:
> I used to drive a taxi and worked construction. I've also owned my own
> business. "Employment" is not "slavery." In employment you can leave. In
> slavery you can't. Does anyone in this group besides me understand
> economics? You get paid what you're worth, unless the government
> interferes. If you don't like it, get a better education and a better
> job. If I wished to go into computers I could make $100,000 a year
> within five years, as can anyone be they black, white, brown, yellow or
> green. That's what the free market (which exists on the social level)
> does, not socialism (which exists on the biological level.)
Carmen re-replies: Please read again my statement: "but let me remind you 'employment' as we know it >today is another way of 'slavery'". Working for 'yourself' is not the same thing as working for an employer. Only a few get the benefits in today's scenarios. Five or Ten Bill Gates, the rest of us 'chickens' hoping to make it. That wouldn't be a problem if 'us chickens' were happy with the little arrangement. But 'us chickens' are scratching our
heads and saying 'there is something wrong with this picture'. ( I hate to use Bill Gate as an example, He is not the highest rock on the Horizon, happiness is only relative).
My point is that remember at the beginning of these century, only about 100 years ago, it was the other way around. Most people worked for themselves. I think we need to reach a 'Happy median' and go back and use some of the'old fashion ways'.
There is something wrong in a society that forces parent to drop kids on 'Daycare Centers' or worse yet leave them on the hands of 'inept Nannies' like the one who 'accidentally killed that baby'. The one from 'U pare', or something like that. There is something wrong with a society who tells us that if a Female chooses to have a Baby, she will have to come back and start from the bottom up. Sorry, no room for caring parents!!! What about the poor
Dad's???? They never get to see their children grow. Sorry Kids, Dad has to go after that paycheck, because my Employer has a long line of eager and qualify people who will take my job (and our livelihood) with them in a heart bit.
I want to step out of all that. I don't want the establishment pitiful hand me down jobs. I want that to be a 'choice', not something forced upon me and my family.
>
>
> > Carmen wrote: HELLOOOOO, a couple of trees don't make a forest.
> >
> Bob replied:
> Quite right. But 4,000 years of recorded history does make a forest, a
> forest in which socialism (a biological value) has not had one success.
> One of the more amusing defintions of insanity I've heard is 'to do the
> same thing over and over and expect a different result.'
> To believe that intellectuals are so morally and intellectually superior
> that they have the right to use biological force to run society is to
> exalt biology over society. Thomas Sowell mocks these people as 'the
> annointed' deluded with what Hayek called 'the fatal conceit.'
Carmen re-replies: 4000 years of recorded history???? Recorded by whom???? A very Biased written History if you ask me. Come on guys and gals, lets use our brains, lets put some oil on those senses. Let's use our senses!!! Not abuse them. We are a great bunch! That includes the 'free market', socialist, and ism, and iiiissss . It is all there!!! Like a child in a Candy Store.
>
>
> All my best manitos!!!,
Carmen, Carmenci, Carmencita, MOM (my kids are calling"""")
>
>
> MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org
> Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
> Unsubscribe - http://www.moq.org/md/index.html
> MD Queries - horse@wasted.demon.nl
MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org
Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
Unsubscribe - http://www.moq.org/md/index.html
MD Queries - horse@wasted.demon.nl
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Sat Aug 17 2002 - 16:02:59 BST