Hello ,
I still now sure if I should post this here but...
Horse writes:
>>So there is no 'real' self - but a changing set of patterns within a
>>greater set of changing patterns, or maybe just one enormous
>>changing set of patterns.
But changing according to the original law or pattern that spawned all
"changing patterns". Our final knowledge about that pattern is
limited only in terms of depth. Its basic construct is fairly known.
It spirals, sort of goes around in a circle. The clock, the wheel, the
sundial--all reflect how it is calibrated in nature. Our lives are set
to the days, the days to solar system, etc. The depth of this pattern
set by original law is something else. We can move further and further
into an understanding of it. Even perhaps, to the inner thresholds of that
timeless original law. When the road, the traveler and the road before
the traveler was NOT. This character of the Self is referred to in
Revelations as, I who was dead but am now alive.
>>What we tend to think of as a self is
>>defined by the context within which we happen to exist at a particular
>>time - nothing more.
>>Everything else is an intellectual construction
>>which provides for continuity
Yes, the calibration. It has among other things, an intellectual
construction. Man--a berry on a bush in a forest of that
pattern--expresses that calibration in his own terms.
>>and helps us cope with the world - in
>>other words when we consider the traditional idea of self we create a
>>stable set of patterns as a reference.
The traditional notion of Self holds that we are of it. Stable sets
of patterns are derived by a stable original law that governs the Self
and it's origins. When we consider the traditional idea of Self we
merely reflect it. The Self inherent on the berry bush and through the
forest of similar pattern *continues* to replicate and cause further
expressions.
>>There is some uncertainty about soul!>>
The medium in which Self is displayed is about as mysterious as it
gets. Pattern growing fainter and fainter into infinity. The matrix
of the Self in totality--what the traveler might realize, what the
traveler might have realized to date. Has It returned home already
and gone to sleep with it's progeny creation not far behind--like the
second half of a Slinky compelled to follow the first?
>>I would reject the traditional
>>(western) religious idea of something that survives beyond death to
>>join with some God or other
>>and the (mainly) eastern idea that
>>relates to some sort of transmigratory thing which wanders around
>>inhabiting various bodies. I think both ideas are comforting non sense
>>- when you're dead, you're dead - the end. If anything survives at all it
>>is in the static (and possibly dynamic) patterns of others.
The berries have seeds even as the Slinky has its tail end. But I do hope
to get a good night's sleep when all of this is over.
Bill
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