Dear Julie, Dear Rich,
The question if all is ethical, is not the same as the question if all is
only made of ethics. In my eyes, what holds the SPQ [static pattern of
quality] is quality, therefore the 'is' is made of quality. And since there
is no such thing as a perfect SPQ, the drive to improve the SPQ is ethical.
SPQ are there in all layers. We as individual are a biological SPQ, we
partake in a social SPQ, and in intellectual SPQ [which I prefer to call
cultural]. We can easily see our mind as part of the Social and Cultural
planes, as we function through it there.
A more interesting question would be, not if a mind exist or not, but how
does it function within a cultural/social unit [SPQ]?
and don't forget to be gentle
Avid
icq 6598359
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Sent: Montag, 2. August 1999 02:00
Subject: MD Re: Mind biochemical?
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> > From: rich pretti <richpretti@hotmail.com>
> > To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> > Subject: Re: MD Quantitative & Qualitative Genesis
> > Date: 01 August 1999 16:43
> >
> Hi rich:)
> please accept my apologies to the list. I have read Pirsig,ZAMM 3/4 times
> and Lila once, I don't profess to know his work as well as you all. I know
> I loved every minute of it but haven't philosophised it too much, doesn't
> stop me enjoying this list though. However:
>
> "Pirsig states that "not just life, but everything, is an ethical
> > activity." This is the answer to the penultimate philosophical question:
> > "just why exactly did life evolve?" - it was better than not to.
> >
> > As for the mind - being the combination of the social and intellectual
> > levels manifested in each unique individual - yes, it exists. Yes, it
> grows
> > from the bio-chemical events in the brain."
>
> If you believe the above to be true, then a tree has a mind, everything
has
> a mind? Personally I don't have a problem with the idea of it at all. I
> believe the whole universe from atoms to planets and solar systems to be a
> part of mind, but I also believe that "mind" exists independent of matter,
> it just uses matter to give it form. For my part, "mind" is more than
just
> a biological artifact. This is a personal grudge argument of mine, as I
> spent three years arguing this during my psychology degree. The notable
> professor stated quite catergorically that "there was no such thing as
mind
> and no self respecting psychologist would discuss such a thing" however he
> couldn't answer my question " well, then what is it that self-respects?"
If
> mind is "just" (Pirsig had a lot to say about this word if I remember) a
> biological artifact, doesn't this raise "ethical" questions about
> "persistent vegetative sydrome." The biological chemical processes are
> still there, being kept operative by machines, how then can we justify
> switching the machine off, "mind" would still be there? I appreciate this
> has little to do with Pirsigs work and that is after all the object of
this
> discussion list. Please accept my apologies if this off list, as I said,
> personal grudge argument and I bit.;))))))))))))))))))) Julie
> >
> > Rich
> >
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