> I can't believe that atoms or particles or waves only exist when humans
> look at them. I don't think that our perceptions create reality or that
> reality is an abstaction of experience. Rather experience is fundamental
> to the nature of reality and has, through the course of evolution,
> created humans and their perceptions.
THIS IS A MATTER OF BELIEF, NOT OF KNOWLEDGE, YOU JUST BUMPED INTO THE
CULTURAL IMMUNE SYSTEM, OUCH!!!!!!
>Subjects and objects don't pop
> into existence magically because of our experience.
IF WE TALK ABOUT PHOTONS AS ENERGY OR AS MATTER, THEY DO POP UP, WE CANNOT
KNOW {SEE KANT} WHAT THE WORLD IS WITHOUT US LOOKING AT IT.
> I think that view is
> just some kind of fancy Solipsism. Its impossibly wierd.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOLIPSISM.
> What I think that what goes on in the cases of our observations in
> sub-atomic physics is a matter of "disturbing the universe". The
> potential particles and waves, prior to our interuption, exist as an
> "electron cloud". The "parts" of the atom are niether here nor there.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? ANY PROOFS?
> The are not yet fully differentiated. They exist at the cusp between
> chaos (primordial DQ) and inorganic matter.
DQ IS NOT CHAOS, IT ISN'T "A PHASE" OR "A LAYER", IT IS ALL OVER THE PLACE,
IT IS NOT CONFINED BY ANY RULES.
>And that existence does not
> depend on our observing it. Rather it is the "that its attributes are
> created or realized in the act of measurement". Those attributes, those
> particles and waves, are created by our observations, which have a way
> forceing the potential to be realized. WE push the atom to make a
> "choice" about which way to go.
I WOULD RATHER SAY THAT WE HAVE NO IDEA OF HOW THE UNIVERSE IS WITHOUT OUR
SENSATION OF IT {INCLUDING OUR THEORIES}, WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE WORLD IS
WITHOUT OUR MODELS, WITHOUT OUR LAYERS, WITHOUT OUR SPQ [STATIC PATTERNS OF
QUALITY]. THIS IS AS OLD AS KANT AND LEIBNITZ, ONLY WE COULD NOT
EPISTEMOLOGICALLY SPEAKING TO AFFORD THE LUXURY OF SEEING THE WORLD THAT
WAY,NOW WE CAN.
IT'S TIME FOR MY BREAKFAST
GOOD DAY
> But I could be wrong. In fact, its pretty likely. David B.
ME TOO.
>
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