Roger, Platt, Walter and the gang:
Walter, I do try to describe what I mean, but coming up with a solid
definition of "reality" is a post all by itself. Not that it isn't a
good idea.
Roger and Platt, I'm enjoying the debate, but you both managed to
completely ignore the Pirsig quotes from page 299. Platt has even tried
to catch me in a semantic trap over my use of the word INDEPENDENT, but
in this case he's only got Pirsig contradicting himself. I mean, you
must realize by now that I think making distinctions between the levels
is very important to making the whole MOQ word as an analytical tool.
I've been trying to make that case several different ways for months.
And Roger's most recent post seems to jump back and forth between
intellectual and mystical types of perceptions and confuses them in ways
I really can't untangle.
Intellectual perceptions are embedded in and mediated by each of the
levels.
Mystical experieces are Dynamic, direct and immediate awareness.
That's another reason I like the word "mediated". Its the opposite of
"immediate", which simply means "not mediated". See? DQ is direct
experience, right? This direct experience is un-mediated by static
patterns. I think you've come to think of "immediate" as simply meaning
"right now". But in this context it means something more like naked or
unfiltered. See what I mean? Not to get too technical on you, but DQ is
outside of time, beyond those static categories and so "right now"
becomes meaningless.
I don't mean to trivialize your ideas but this is what I think I hear
you saying.
DQ creates all static patterns. (the world)
All static pattterns can be mapped by intellectual concepts.(ideas about
the world)
THEREFORE
All static patterns are nothing but intellectual concepts? (The world is
nothing but ideas about the world.)
But in my view the are ideas are a part of the world. DQ is engaged in
an eternal dance with the world, but is, unlike the world, Dynamic and
not map-able, and can not be percieved by the intellect. All we can do
is point to it and witness the fruit of it, which is the world, all
subjects and objects.
DQ isn't 24/7, its eternal and infinite.
OOpps. Gotta go
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