From: Elizaphanian (Elizaphanian@members.v21.co.uk)
Date: Fri Nov 01 2002 - 08:08:12 GMT
Hi there Mr or Mrs or Ms Pantophobic (any clues?)
> > (MoQ) is an intellectual ordering of experience
> ok
> so you are saying that it is mealy an ordering and nothing else? without
the
> intellect there would be no MoQ ?
Yes.
> > All that exists is a form of Quality
> > DQ is the driving force of evolution,
> > the lure which all of existence pursues.
> ok
> so all that exists is quality and everything that exists peruses DQ.
'Peruses
> DQ' meaning it does not possess it - then nothing can have any DQ, DQ is
simply
> all the Quality that one does not possess?
Yes.
> > [for] Something new [which] comes into existence.
> > to be maintained in existence it must 'static latch'
> > These static latches form the known world.
> > They are the stable forms of Quality.
> ok
> so all that there is, is SQ?
I would say all that can be *known* is SQ. See my response to Platt on this.
> you say that a static latch is that which is:
> > able to generate a particular pattern of value which persists over time
> I do not understand this.
> Is it the case that things can flash in and out of SQ - say think a new
thought
> which no one has ever thought before (ha!) which lasts for 5 min and then
I
> forget it forever - the thought had no SQ?
Yes.
> - it certainly was not DQ
That depends on the thought/insight.
> - as I
> could have described it
In the process of description the dynamic insight becomes a static pattern.
> - or is it that now that I can not describe it, it has
> sort of been lost to the DQ, and it was SQ while I had it?
Yes.
> If that were the case is it correct to say that there is quality. SQ is
the
> visible portion while DQ is the rest. So the DQ and SQ may constantly be
> changing - quality passing between the two?
> If so what do you mean by 'visible'? - is visible that which exists, so
then is
> it that SQ exists while DQ does not exist and is merely an explanation for
> change in SQ. else is visible that which has been understood
(intellectualized)
Visible is your word. I would talk about 'known'.
> Then you also say
> > DQ...is the cutting edge of experience.
> > It is pre-intellectual awareness.
> I do not understand this - is it the case that a thing either has or does
not
> have a form of quality, as is the case with SQ, or is it that everything
has DQ
> and has merely made it visible to different degrees?
Intellectual awareness is itself a static pattern of quality. Intellectual
awareness develops over time as a result of interaction with other static
intellectual patterns, other social, biological and inorganic patterns, and
DQ. Any thing can be classified according to the different levels. A human
being is a pattern of molecules (inorganic); a living system geared around
DNA patterns (biological); a member of a group of other human beings (a
social unit); and also (potentially) an intellectual [self?] which is open
to DQ. Those who cultivate the awareness of DQ are the mystics. Pirsig has
provided a wonderful way for distinguishing between a purely drug-induced
"enlightenment" which is a collapse into biological quality, and an
enlightenment that is conditioned by and dependent on static social and
intellectual patterns, which I would describe (in my tradition) as
contemplation. But that's another thread :o)
Thanks for the feedback.
Sam
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