From: jhmau (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue Nov 05 2002 - 19:47:58 GMT
On 5 Nov.,02 3:49 AM Sam elizaphanian @ member.v21.co.uk writes
> Hi Steve,
>
> I'd like to take issue with your comment that 'it works for Christianity
as
> well', ie that Christianity is compatible with the MoQ (I agree with much
> else of what you say, I just want to take issue with this element).
<snip>
> So is the MoQ wholly incompatible with Christianity? I don't believe so,
and
> in fact I think my 'eudaimonic' MoQ is really a way that I have found to
> render the two compatible (although I didn't start the 'campaign' with
that
> conclusion in mind. It rather took me by surprise.)
>snip>
> Sam
> www.elizaphanian.v-2-1.net/home.html
>
Hi Sam, Steve and All
My conclusion from an overview of the MoQ evolution to the intellectual
order:
IMO the social order evolves to the intellectual order. The dynamic
"motion" of the inorganic order, the dynamic "What? another one,"
"reproduction," "sex" of the organic order along with the dynamic
"celebrity" of the social order join with the dynamic metaphors "empathic
rationality," (Thanks Darrell), "_eudaimonia_," (Thanks Sam), "mysticism."
(Thanks John), "vision" (joe), "final vocabulary," (Thanks Matt,
"packaging," (Thanks Maggie), or perhaps some othe "metaphor" like "art,"
"humor" to enable the social to evolve to the intellectual order. It is
difficult to distinguish the body of the social order evolving through
dynamic quality into the intellectual order. "You can fool some of the
people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time.
You can't fool all of the people all of the time."
IMO Looking at history from the time of Alexander the Great I would say that
evolution to the intellectual order has been damaged and in the case of war
aborted. The static latch has not occurred, and as a result we have dynamic
pockets of unknowable intellectual order. It seems the social order governs
its own body and some is not ripened to move to the intellectual order.
Evolution is not the overwhelming force I thought it was.
The intellectual order protects a person moving to Faith in a Revelation
like the Christian Faith. If you leap to Faith from the social order, the
intellectual order creates doubts that are hard to answer. The intellectual
order embraces the truth-good part of conscience which is necessary for
Faith.
joe
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