From: Monkeys' tail or (elkeaapheefteen@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Nov 12 2002 - 15:40:23 GMT
Beste Wim,
How high/low the quality is (relative to the pattern of
values you started with) of this new pattern of values can only be judged
after some time, however. That judgement depends on its stability and
versatility, which need time to be tested.
Davor:
I was intrigued by the <overdoing the dynamic> discussion, I loved it very
much though I was not actively participating, I feel very sorry that I have
only access now to a computer that would take me two whole days to read the
discussion again but I will re-read it in time. For now I just try to
explain my problem and I do not know for sure wether this subject was
discussed in the <overdoing> tread. What I am going to say, is no some sort
of definite statement, just trying to get some grip here.
You seem to agree that only after some time we can be sure of an idea is of
high Quality depending on how it latches and the stability/ versatility. But
I was talking of the <moment of truth>, not after a while when the latching
is done and the <newness> is judged. Basically I am saying that degeneracy
is just as pre-intellectual as DQ it is also a part of the cutting edge of
experience. Threfore we cannot say anything about it, it is just as
undefinable as DQ. If DQ did not include degeneracy also the MOQ would not
last, as the degeneracy part of DQ is responsible for the lower level
destruction needed for higher level evolvement. There are two ways to go,
the degeneracy as you suggested is responsible for a lowering of quality
latching letterly on a lower level, or lower quality latching on the same
level. The second way the degeneracy, as explained, creates <space> for a
higher level to evolve.
Up-level evolution is not only dependend on DQ it is also depending on the
degeneration, like a tree has to degenerate for it's forthgoing existence
and growth. The argument that this is actually part of the progress and
therefore DQ I find hard to swallow, for trees do die out, societies are
destroyed and ideas are falisfied. It is all too easy to state that it is
all just DQ because then imo DQ would need some kind of <imperative for the
good> and for sure the world would look a lot better, more intellectual I
would say.
Something in this discussion makes feel uncomfortable, it could be that I am
mistaken a paper wall for a massive granite one. This is one of those post
that can only end in one way;
I could be wrong,
Davor
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