From: Elizaphanian (Elizaphanian@members.v21.co.uk)
Date: Thu Nov 21 2002 - 22:58:52 GMT
Hi matt - I've sent a big message through to you on this but it doesn't seem
to have got through. I'll give it another day or so and then re-send it if
it doesn't appear.
Sam
www.elizaphanian.v-2-1.net/home.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt the Enraged Endorphin" <mpkundert@students.wisc.edu>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: MD Individuality
> Sam, Patrick,
>
> Matt:
> Pragmatists think its just best to treat these things [pianos, trees,
> geometry] as sentences that we can apply truth or falsity to, rather than
> experiences that we can apply truth or falsity to.
>
> Patrick:
> That's among the best oneliners I heard recently. Sounds very
Wittgensteinian.
>
> Sam:
> Just a quickie on this: it does sound Wittgensteinian, but I'm pretty sure
> that Wittgenstein wouldn't agree with Matt that there is nothing outside
> language. In fact I'm certain of it; it's something he would violently
> object to!
>
> Matt:
> Now, I have to acquiece to you on Wittegenstein, but I do want to clarify:
> I don't want to say that there is or isn't anything outside of language.
> The pragmatist, Sellers-Foucault hybrid "position" is that we don't want
to
> answer the question of whether there's anything outside of language.
We're
> satisfied with simply dealing with language. For instance, saying that
> there is nothing outside of language makes it seem as if the tree doesn't
> exist outside of language. When I punch a tree, I'm saying that I'm
> punching the word "tree." But I do want to say that our knowledge of
trees
> and all of our sentences of trees and thoughts about trees are not pinned
> on a "tree." They are internally coherent. They refer to each other. We
> can make empirical observations, but these observations are in language.
> Our observations can be _caused_ by an empirical world without them
> refering to a reality "out there."
>
> Matt
>
>
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