From: Elizaphanian (Elizaphanian@members.v21.co.uk)
Date: Thu Nov 28 2002 - 10:25:03 GMT
Dear Wim,
This is an attempt to gather together a few threads in our conversation. It
might become that discussion about ritual, it might become a discussion
about unacknowledged SOM thinking in me, it might go off somewhere else
again (which is possibly the most exciting option).
Firstly, from an initial look through some of your old posts, I want to
offer a very brief 'summary' of some of your views. (In my terms, so that I
feel I can understand you properly)
1. The social level began a *very* long time ago, possibly pre-dating
language, but in any case we are talking about hundreds of thousands of
years at least, maybe 2 million or so.
2. The intellectual level began with ritual, in that ritual 'encoded'
certain breakthroughs. That was, say 50-100,000 years ago.
3. The social level can be seen in human imitation.
4. The intellectual level can be understood through an analysis of human
motivation.
And then:
5. There are no 'things' ('objects'?). There are only patterns.
6. The patterns can be classified according to the four levels of the MoQ.
Each level describes a step-change in the amount of Q that has been
'latched'.
7. The most interesting way of talking about patterns is through
consideration of their versatility or adaptability. In other words, their
openness to DQ. Higher level patterns both 'contain' (exemplify?) more
Quality, and they are more open to moving or migrating towards DQ.
That will probably do to begin with.
The biggest problem that I have at the moment is with number 5. Not the
first part, but the precise way in which you distinguish 'patterns' from
'things'. What is a 'thing'? I have read the quote you provided about the
baby's growth in awareness; so there, if I understand correctly, an 'object'
is simply a shorthand for the deduction from patterns of experience. In
other words it is a useful concept. I'm just not clear on the further move
that I think you wish to make.
Don't worry about replying to some of my other posts (unless you want to -
or wrap them up into one). I think this is more important than the
'sophocles' stuff.
Cheers.
Sam
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