From: Erin N. (enoonan@kent.edu)
Date: Fri Nov 29 2002 - 20:17:35 GMT
I think it is interesting you are bringing this up but
I am not completely clear at your argument.
DAVOR: I was wrong I guess. I read your reply
>and grant what you are saying, me being wrong on the tree example, and the
>antonym argument that is always inevitable.
ERIN: Just wanted to point out my horoscope last week
was about this degenerate tree.
When an old tree in the rain forest dies and topples over, it takes a long
time to decompose. As it does, it becomes host to new saplings that use the
decaying log for nourishment. I'd like you to picture yourself, Scorpio,
sitting in the forest gazing upon this scene. How would you describe it? Would
you dwell in grizzly detail on the putrefaction of the fallen tree while
ignoring the fresh life sprouting out of it? If you did, you'd be imitating
the spirit of modern journalists. Or, instead, would you be a balanced
witness, reporting on the decay and growth with equal emphasis? In the weeks
to come, please be the latter.
Okay I have to admit I didn't really feel the
overdoing the dynamic thread was settled in my mind despite
its conclusions. I think you could have a
conclusion that allows for paradox like the above horoscope
or the one that doesn't as in the thread.
I haven't gone back and reread it though so I should probably
being doing that before talking about it.
I also wanted to give an example of degeneracy that
I was moved by when I read about it. I imagine it
is even more moving experiencing it.
Reading how these beautiful intricate sand mandalas were
carefully created to then be destroyed really gets at
how degeneracy is part of the cycle that i would
consider DQ.
Art seems typically associated with 'creation' but these
sand mandalas have this delicate art which involves
creation and destruction.
Beautiful.
SAND MANDALAS: Having constructed the the-pu or mandala base, the artists
measure out and draw the architectural lines using a straight-edge ruler,
compass and white ink pen. The mandala is a formal geometric pattern of a
ground plan of a sacred mansions. It includes a foundation, four entrances,
wall and other architectural elements. The colour sand is applied to the
mandala through the end of a metal funnel, which is rasped with another funnel
in order to release a fine stream of sand.
The artists begin at the centre of the mandala and work outward. As the
mandala is made in the spirit of impermanence and non-attachement, it will
eventually be ritualistically dismantled and the blessed sand carried to the
river, where it will be offered for the benefit of the marine life and the
environment..
Erin
>1. DQ is not a choice
>
>2. The <receptivity>, <openness> of DQ leaves the door just as wide
> open for degeneracy
>
>3. Degeneracy is never a part of moral development, degeneracy is
> <bad> per se. There is no way that patterns of decay, destruction,
> disorder lead to moral devlopment.
>
>4. Napoleon, degenerate or saviour?
>
>5. DQ can be equated with Good, therfore DQ always is in progress
> never in regress.
>
>6. Moral development depends on which static patterns of value get the
> <overhand>, the static patterns that leave the most space for DQ are
> the ones most likely to morally develop.
>
>7. Vulnerability increases linear to(with?) progression
>
>8. Degeneracy is not pre intellectual
>
>9. Order/disorder split has nothing to do with the sq/dq split
>
>10. Balance of sq and dq is what holds the MOQ family together
>
>Ok that's all folks, going to invlove myself into a degenerate activity now,
>smoking a cigarette.
>
>Greets Davor
>
>
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