From: jhmau (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon Dec 02 2002 - 17:50:12 GMT
On 30 Nov 2002 2:14 PM Wim Nusselder at wim.nusselder @ antenna.nl writes:
Hi Wim and Sam,
> Dear Sam,
>
> Ascribing Aquinas' possible DQ experience (if you really think that's what
> he described) to the Eucharist ritual, would be the same as ascribing the
DQ
> experience of the man recovering from a hearth attack (described by Pirsig
> in chapter 9 of 'Lila') to the hand at which he 'begins to gaze ... with a
> sense of wonder and delight'. If it is the ritual that created the DQ
> experience for Aquinas, why didn't it do so the countless times he
> participated in it before?
>
> With friendly greetings,
>
> Wim
>
joe:I am not too much into dates, but I have read that toward the end of his
life Aquinas was asked to compose the office for a new feast, Corpus
Christi. The sequence he wrote for the office, Lauda Sion, is a magnificent
piece. I keep practicing it hoping I wll be able to sing it at mass each
year. It is long and latin is not used too much in our parish, so no luck.
In most verses he uses the same endings to different words for a similarity
of sound. Usually two repetitions are enough to satisfy his ear. In verse
22 he takes off on the ending "atur." In figuris praesignatur, Cum Isaac
immolatur, Agnus Paschae deputatur. I think I am finished the the "atur"
sound, but he adds a further phrase, Datur manna patribus. When I practice
it I hear him chuckle and say: "You didn't expect that did you?" or perhaps
"Gee that was fun." Perhaps, this process was the dq he remenbered at mass.
> > It was December 6, 1273, and it happened when Aquinas was celebrating
the
> > Eucharist. His precise words: "I cannot do any more. Everything I have
> > written seems to me as straw in comparison with what I have seen."
> >
> > I was thinking of Wim's comment:
> > "Seriously, I simply don't understand how such a ritual can provide
> anything
> > dynamic. It can only latch past DQ experiences and communicate those
(now
> > static) patterns of values to followers. Are you sure those 'Quality
> > moments' are DQ moments? Couldn't they just be sq moments? Also
valuable,
> of
> > course, but not what I seek in religion."
> >
> > Sam
> > www.elizaphanian.v-2-1.net/home.html
>
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