From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Sat Dec 07 2002 - 15:40:04 GMT
Dear Erin and Steve,
Searching my archives I found that 'acausal' came up 28/1/02 in the
'History' thread. See underneath.
With friendly greetings,
Wim
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Verzonden: maandag 28 januari 2002 0:43
Onderwerp: MD History
> Hi Rick,
> You can ignore that "one last thing" email. I accidently sent it to you
> instead of him but I am having trouble with my email right now, I think
> something is wrong with my school's server. Nothing is coming in. I got
your
> message by going to MOQ site and Boeree may have responded but I can't
tell
> because nothing is coming through to me right now.
>
>
> RICK
> There could be alot of reasons why.... Perhaps LILA simply didn't get the
> recognition he had hoped for, so like a parent comforting his child he
tells
> his daughter (LILA) don't worry, your brother (ZMM) may be more popular,
but
> you're the smart one. Who knows...
>
> ERIN: Honesty not patronizing seems more of Pirsig's style. Sounds like a
> little like jealousy, going back to the Bart and Lisa example again but
this
> time let's think of ZAMM as Bart....
>
>
> RICK
> You pegged me, I think ZMM is the superior work. As you know, I'm
> unconvinced that that 'moral compass' of LILA has any real value for moral
> philosophy (for reasons explored in the MOQ as a moral guide thread as
well
> as other reasons).
>
> ERIN: Well I will go try and read that because I am not so sure Bart, umm
I
> mean Rick
> ______
> ERIN
> > undifferentiated aesthetic matrix compared to undifferentiated aesthetic
> continuum
>
>
> O.K. let me try to give you a rough idea it's not competely clear in my
mind
> yet so I maybe be missing something that you could fill in for me. The end
of
> Lila really reminds me Jung's theory that deals with acausal
relationships,
> sycnronicity and things like that. I won't go into detail why.
> If concept learning is hierarchical and (north-south thing) and reasoning
> deals with linear relationships and causality (east-west). For these two
to be
> together I get a picture of a matrix rather than a continuum. People who
work
> with neural networks work with matrixes don't they? Well gav proposed
that
> there were two moral guides.. rational and intuitive. I am thinking that
one
> moral guide limits itself to linear relationships and a full moral compass
> needs the matrix, causal and acausal relationships.
>
> Jung isn't really part of mainstream psychology but I think it is
psychology's
> loss. He kind of reminds me of Pirsig in ways too. He also had a
"breakdown"
> when he separated from Freud although he called it a "creative something
or
> other can't remember" and he gave the same impression that Pirsig did when
he
> said you can be better than cured. I think their early style of thinking
> reflects a linear, causal type and later style incorporates acausal
thinking.
> But it just seems like to me bringing these two together creates a matrix,
> maybe intuitive like gav said is a good word. The problem is I don't
really
> know exactly how a matrix operates. Everything I come across is broken
into
> four groups and the grid for a matrix would work really well for this.
>
> Isn't there a difference between a undifferentiated aesthetic continuum
and an
> undifferentiated aesthetic matrix or am I missing something?
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