From: Matt the Enraged Endorphin (mpkundert@students.wisc.edu)
Date: Tue Dec 10 2002 - 02:27:39 GMT
Steve,
You said:
You lumped study of history of philosophy in with critique of philosophy
where I would keep them separate. I think critique of philosophy is still
philosophy, especially when you ask the question "does this philosopher have
it right?" If you are only concerned with the question, "do I have it right
about what this philosopher thought?" then you are a philosophologist not a
philosopher.
Matt:
Actually, I don't think I really did that lumping. I took it out of
Pirsig. I wholeheartedly agree that critique of philosophy is part of
philosophy, its part of what made me turn my head. In fact, I even said
that in my original post: "its difficult to seperate where people are doing
philosophy and where they're criticizing other people's philosophy."
And being concerned with "do I have it right about what this philosopher
thought?" I think might be more properly called intellectual history.
Pirsig thinks people are SOLELY being taught intellectual history in
philosophy departments, whereas I don't know too many philosophy professors
(or intellectual historians) who get the two confused. (Though, from time
to time, they think that being good at one transfers over to being good at
the other. This criticism has been leveled at Rorty and its a criticism
that Rorty also levels at intellectual historians and scientists.) The
problem is that you need to read a little bit of the history of philosophy
to do a little philosophy (at the University level, at the least). If the
philosophy-philosophology distinction simply boiled down to the difference
between philosophy and intellectual history, then I wouldn't have so much
to gripe about. But as far as I can see, it doesn't.
Matt
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