Re: MD MOQ FOR DUMMIES, Please

From: Matt the Enraged Endorphin (mpkundert@students.wisc.edu)
Date: Wed Dec 11 2002 - 16:35:02 GMT

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    Hey Platt:

    >I think Pirsig offers us a way to rationally (not objectively) determine
    >right and wrong and fail to see how his analysis can lead to more
    >demagoguery than any other moral stance one takes--rational,
    >mythological, communal or whatever. Perhaps you'll explain?
    >Thanks.

    I think you're right to make a distinction between "rational" and
    "objective" (though, I won't ask what the difference is). Most of the
    creeps-vibe hinged on an "objective" interpretation, which I already said
    was poor. The reason I think it lends itself (mind you, I didn't say
    "lead," as in a slippery slope) to demagoguery so well is its
    recapitulation of what A.O. Lovejoy called "The Great Chain of Being." The
    Great Chain of Being is an old, old idea, and to both have that plus an
    objective interpretation would lend credence for all those who think,
    "Well, its objective! It can't be wrong!" The gist is that I don't think
    it would have much of an effect on intelligent, educated people, who see
    through such simplistic terms like that, but on the yokels who see
    objective and think that that must lend it even more credence than it
    really has.

    The difference between this and other moral stances is that it combines
    several themes of the others together thus lending support to it. It would
    (theoretically) combine together irrational people who think that humans
    rule the roost and rational people who simply want to be able to tell right
    from wrong without any doubt.

    Matt

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