From: jhmau (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon Dec 16 2002 - 01:42:51 GMT
Hi Wim,
> Dear Joe,
>
> I wrote you off-list on 6 Dec 2002 22:54:41 +0100:
>
> 'I'm sorry. Your 6 Dec 2002 11:30:26 -0800 message makes little sense to
me.
>
<snip>
> You (automatically?!) replied off-list also on 7 Dec 2002 22:12:34 -0800:
joe:I do not know what 'off-list' and '(automatically?!) off-list' means.
In my posts I simply hit the 'reply' button in Outlook Express and start
snippin and typing. If I have really breached etiquette, I am sorry. Does
it mean 'off levels', or 'off-subject' or 'off-method' or 'off-my-rocker' or
off-kilter or what?
<snip>
> Please see my answer to Mari of 12 Dec 2002 23:16:55 +0100.
<snip>
> Your 'glasses' metaphor for me still doesn't throw more light on '"how"
SOM
> culture is primary' than Pirsig's use of the metaphor already did.
>
> With friendly greetings,
>
> Wim
>
joe: extending the glasses metaphor was my
attempt to express my understanding of how moq differs from som culture. I
will try once again to describe my possible scenario of moq culture
suggested from the writings of RP.
A sentient being has a cognition that is initialized by an instinctive sense
of reality which develops patterns and communicates them. Quality! This is
my conclusion from Persig's stories that (a baby learns, and Phaedrus as a
teacher of rhetoric).
Quality is both indivisible as dq and a divisible pattern sq preserving dq's
value. My conclusion from (Lila)
Existence as dq of sq is indivisible. This is contrtary to som subjective
and objective. My conclusion from (the glasses metaphor. I added
rose-colored, and blue-colored glasses to emphasize the difference.)
Value (purpose, good) is indivisible as dq or sq and as a pattern sq for
action incorporates the prolcess of pattern building. My conclusion from
(plain's speech, and the existence of moral orders.)
Comments and examples of my understanding of an applied moq culture:
Pattern building, in its process, is different from the abstraction of som.
Mathematics and logic are derived from the structure of the instinctive
sense. Whether a pattern is creative, destructive, or preservative is
likewise determined from the structure of the instinctive sense.
The goal of education is to train and develop the instinctive sense. Native
Americans evolved a culture that spoke from the center of themselves. They
could tell when people were lying.
Other applications of moq culture: the CEO static latch of robber barons,
individuals, boards of trustees, and accountants have shown to be defective
for society. Static laws can be bypassed by deception, or dynamic
perception. A creative correction comes from moq culture. War as static
latch for preserving a society by the use of weapons of mass destruction is
shown to be immoral. Destroying a society to preserve another society is
not moral, it is cannibalism. Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
(As I reread this I don't know what it has to do with MD levels, so I
re-named the subject MD moq culture. Such a MD doesn't exist yet, but hope
springs eternal.)
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