From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sun Dec 22 2002 - 19:32:50 GMT
Matt said:
"The MoQ can say that logos is emergent from the mythos. That's not
controversial. That was the typical interpretation offered by the Greeks
all the way to the present until people started offering the
mythos-over-logos argument in contrast to the usual interpretation. The
interpretation that the MoQ offers is essentially logos-over-mythos. The
Intellect level is morally superior to the Social level. The
mythos-over-logos interpretation says that neither is morally superior over
the other."
DMB says:
I didn't realize that you were reversing the order of mythos and logos.
"People starting offering the mythos over logos"? Who ever said that? In any
case, I think Pirsig is quite clear and simple on this.
Matt said:
So, once again, I agree with you that there is no problem with saying that
the Intellect is emergent out of the Social. No problem, you're analogy is
great. However, the problem is that that's not all the mythos-over-logos
argument says. It also says that they are continuous, not discrete. The
logos-over-mythos argument that the MoQ uses says there is a discrete break
and uses the mother/baby analogy. The mythos-over-logos argument says
there isn't a discrete break and uses the shrub/tree analogy. As far as I
can see, the two aren't compatible and you really haven't given me any
reason to think otherwise.
DMB says:
The MOQ sharpens the distinction. In ZAMM they are continuous, but in Lila
they are made discreet. The distinction is drawn between levels of static
quality. This is merely a modification, a rethinking of the difference. This
is why we get two different analogies, one that depicts the intellect as a
larger and more mature version of the mythos, and the later, sharper
depiction as parent and child. They still have an evolutionary relationship,
but in the latter intellect is a whole new creature. Again, we are trying to
explore the relationship between the mythos and logos by way of the Sophists
and such. Compatable? They are not supposed to be compatible. The MOQ's
static levels override the tree/shrub analogy - big time.
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