From: Mari (mld2001@adelphia.net)
Date: Tue Dec 31 2002 - 14:07:26 GMT
Happy New Year John,
You said:
> Yes Mari, this is how I was made feel, not by anyone deliberately making
an
> attempt to keep me out just the level of the conversation. No problem with
> that, if that's the only conversation then that's the one you'll have.
This
> is what I meant when I asked about the Classic/Romantic split, I am
> definitely here because of how the book made me feel, I have done no
> reading. I'm a truck driver who rides motorbikes and had the book bought
for
> me as a gift 10 years ago and have read it regularly ever since, each time
> it makes more sense but I'm still fuzzy and therefore need help with it.
Mari:
Matt had some thoughts on the "Classic/Romantic" split.
He said: I hesitate to call it a classic/romantic split
because I think its a lot more complicated then that. The classic/romantic
split also implies that one way of reading is "deep" and the other surface
orientated. I think that's the wrong way to contextualize the differences.
I think the difference depends on people's different life experiences and,
in particular, what kinds of books they have read.
Mari: i'm going to re-read the "C/R" part of ZMM today. In the mean time i
want to ask you this: you said: "I am
> definitely here because of how the book made me feel"
Mari asks: What is the feeling? When you say you've done "no reading" how is
it that you go from "no reading" to ZMM? And what exactly is "fuzzy".? Do
you think these are questions that will help you get to the meat of the
matter and might eventually lead to some clarity for YOU?
Like i said to David yesterday: i think that i've learned a lot about many
things since joining MoQdg and of course from reading Pirsig. There is a lot
of brain power here and some excellant writers; very eloquent indeed!
That said i get the impression that some questions are answered while never
getting answered. Some questions are only meant to be asked and not
answered; rhetorical, meant to ponder. Pirsig while defining some things
claims that that which he is defining is undefinable, and i buy it; it works
for me with-in a particular context. But not all things are like that. Some
things need simple tangible answers not cleaver, esoteric, intellectually
correct dissertation that takes one on an Alice in Wonderland trip where the
white knight is talking backwards and the red queen says: "off with his
head". Sometimes less is better IMHO. That is not meant to offend anyone and
i agree with you: "No problem with
> that, if that's the only conversation then that's the one you'll have." i
can unsubscribe anytime, i know where the door is but i have an agenda. i'd
like to use the braintrust; put it to use towards a different end:
"practical use" if you will. Use it to evoke change in the world, make a
REAL difference. But first there needs to be a belief that that is possible,
an agreement and desire to work towards that end. So far i don't see very
much agreement anywhere do you?
It's interesting that you used the term: " macho
> pissing competition," because i wrote a post around Thanksgiving that i
never sent where i used the term "intellectual pissing contest". i wonder if
anyone else had similar thoughts?
> I must be honest and say that although I am ignorant in regards to
> philosophical works most of what I was seeing here looked like a macho
> pissing competition, this has changed since Rudy posted his MoQ for
Dummies
> post and I have discovered people who are interested in helping and
talking
> on a less highbrow level. I think that's what we need to do, us less
trained
> minds need to interact regularly so it doesn't look so daunting to new
> subscribers.
>
> John from The Rock
Mari: Well John, the lurkers need to come forth and the regulars need to see
the value of those who are less eloquent. Or not.
All the best,
Mari
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