From: Glenn Bradford (gmbbradford@netscape.net)
Date: Mon Jan 06 2003 - 04:37:48 GMT
John M,
Wow, it's not every year that someone sticks up for me here,
and shows some passion to boot. Thanks *very* much. That meant
a lot to me. It's such a rare event that to one MOQite it seemed
more conceivable to believe we were the same person than not. I
find that amusing and I find it amusing that Horse has offered to
help you unsubscribe. Isn't he a sweetie?
Horse,
Thou protesteth too much. Obviously I struck a nerve. Your interjection
into the matter as moderator means that my charge against Pirsig of
"belittling science" is a severe abuse, or so you say. As statements
go this is actually quite measured (in contrast, for example, to your
continued tirade after I told you what I meant). However, once you
simmered down you said,
If we accept Glenns definition of 'belittle' as "lessen the authority,
dignity, or reputation of" then surely any criticism of science (as a
discpline) does this.
You don't want to accept this definition, but the meaning of 'belittle'
I have chosen to defend is one offered by WordNet. And yes, the upshot
of this definition is that any criticism of science (as a discipline)
will lessen its authority, dignity, or reputation. Whether or not that
criticism is *justified* or not is irrelevant to your complaint of my
charge. When you say,
I think this isolationist attitude and model of insecurity may be
the kind of science Pirsig objects to and in criticizing science as he
does Pirsig is doing both mainstream science (and scientists) a favour.
you yourself are admitting that Pirsig criticises science and therefore
belittles it. In your opinion, Pirsig is belittling science for its own
good. This admission alone deflates your demand for specific evidence.
Plus an apology for your harsh treatment of me would be nice.
Glenn
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