From: john williams (ducati900@bigpond.com)
Date: Fri Jan 10 2003 - 00:21:26 GMT
Hi Mari:
You said: Matt, Does this mean that Person A, an Atheist, and Person B a
Buddhist, and
> Person C a Christian all have a ".....desire for personal freedom and our
> desire to
> > alleviate the cruelty done to others." so we leave our "private" beliefs
> at the door in order to "publicly" agree on an "Act" which enables us to
> live in peace and practice our private philosophies and religious beliefs
as
> we wish? If so isn't that the so called "American Way"? Ironically it's
> what the other guys hate about us.
> i think at some point those so called "public/private split" falls apart.
> Compromises and concessions clash when ego fed ideologies take on their
own
> social ego (collective/accumulative). Everything we do is "out there"
almost
> instantly for the world to see. judge and plot against. ( while they
> formulate plans to annihilate us we're discussing the meaning of
> absolute...it's almost poetic )
> If we do not like what is happening now we should have handled our affairs
> differently years ago. Now it may be too late. One solution that works
> always is to kill the opposition. "Kill the filthy bastids!!" We know
there
> are many who believe: " if we can't have it our way, no one gets to have
it
> their way".
> Sad but true!
> i imagine that there is a way to avoid the darkest scenario. i thought
that
> this discussion group might be a good place to find others with whom to
> formulate a plan while the air is still safe. My experience has fallen
short
> of my expectation so far. That said i do not think of my time spent here
as
> a waste of time. In fact quite the opposite. i am seeing and hearling
things
> that are indeed improving my so called "plan", as well as effecting my
art
> and for that i am grateful!
>
> Keep up the good work MoQers while the power is still on and the air and
> water is still safe.
What a can of worms! I've been off studying, reading Wettgenstien, Marx,
Lila and ZMM and what I have found as a great resource, The MoQdg archives.I
think I'm getting my head around things a little and am better appreciating
this DG.
The Wittgenstein overveiw by P.M.S. Hacker that i am reading has this
statement in it."In philosophy we are constantly misled by grammatical
similarities which mask profound logical differences. So we ask questions
which are intelligible when asked of certain catergories of things, but
which make no sense when asked of things that belong to a different
category"
This is exactly what happens here and as a layman, when I came here and saw
it I thought what the hell is going on here, there just talking around in
circles and arguing about grammar. Turns out thats what philosophy is.
As to your statements about how America's enemies feel about you. It's all
out there for you to see why your country is so hated. Yes there are the
Zealots who hate and would hate because of your perceived freedom ( they
would say decadense). There are acts that have been carried out against you
that are inexcusable, but your country carries out inexcusable acts on a
daily basis. If you want to discuss these issues privately I'd be only to
pleased.
It goes to the public/private split, as individuals you are amonst the best
in the world, As a nation your pretty much selfish bully boys.
John from The Rock.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mari" <mld2001@adelphia.net>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: MD No to absolutism
> Matt wrote:
> > As an additional thought on Kevin's coming to the Rortyan affirmation of
> > the public/private split (which is as old as classical liberalism),
> > particularly for those who may not know what he's refering to, the
> > public/private split affirms that we need to have enough relevent
beliefs
> > in common to be able to interact socially and to be able to have public
> > discourse (such as discussing good public policy). The point of the
> split,
> > and of why Kevin said, "Yet another argument for the keeping metaphysics
> > out of the public policy making and keeping it in the realm of private
> > self-actualization," is that all we need to make progress politically
are
> > shared beliefs. It doesn't matter how we got to those beliefs, just
that
> > we have them. So that's why Christians, atheistic metaphysicians,
> > Buddhists, and ironists can come together and agree that we should have
a
> > "Clean Air Act" or "Civil Right Act." They all agree that those things
> are
> > good and it doesn't matter whether they got the sentiment from God,
> Reason,
> > meditation, or reading some good books. That's the essence of why Rorty
> > maintains that we need the public/private split. To save our freedom to
> > believe in God, Reason, the Nothingness, and good books while being able
> to
> > spend time haggling about good policy, rather then spending time on the
> > Senate floor arguing about philosophy or religion. Its a pratical split
> > meant to faciliate our desire for personal freedom and our desire to
> > alleviate the cruelty done to others.
>
> >
> Mari
>
>
>
>
>
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