From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sat Aug 07 2004 - 17:05:14 BST
Hi
The key thing we need to get it here is the relationship
of DQ to SQ and how SQ is independent of DQ
much if the time. The rock rolls down the hill,
DQ has withdrawn and does not intervene, this is
the value/choice DQ has taken for there to be any SQ
whatsoever. Think: how does SQ emerge from DQ?
SQ is the same again, repetition, DQ has left the building!
I think this is links also to the withdrawal of consciousness
from unconscious habits.
regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Problem Of Evil
> Hi Mark M, and all.
>
> On 7 Aug 2004 at 8:11, Valuemetaphysics@aol.com wrote:
> The problem of evil dissolves in the MOQ because evil becomes a lower
> evolutionary pattern dominating a higher evolutionary pattern. We may
> even avoid the term evil and say that there is an absence of the Good?
>
> msh says:
> I agree that, in the MOQ, the POE isn't a problem, since evil, as
> commonly understood, doesn't exist. In fact, this is one of the
> reasons I am attracted to the MOQ.
>
> But, notice, the word "evil" doesn't appear in my formulation of the
> problem. "Suffering" takes its place. So, how about if instead of
> "suffering" we use the phrase "immoral activity." When a boulder
> breaks away from a hillside and crushes a child playing in the yard
> below, we have an example of a lower pattern destroying a higher
> pattern, which means an immoral action, according to the MOQ.
>
> So, now, the argument goes something like this:
>
> (P1) DQ is reality
> (P2) DQ is maximum morality
> (P3) Everything derives from DQ
> (P4) Immoral actions occur
>
> It seems that we have to deny at least one of these premises. No?
> If so, which?
>
>
> Mark M:
> However!
> Apparently, Japanese zero pilots may be said to have been Tao dive
> bombers. This may sound ridiculous - a dark side to the Tao! But the
> Tao has no evolutionary aspect. Therefore, it is possible to observe
> the Way at a lower evolutionary level - for the zero dive bomber,
> this is Human conflict driven by biological and social patterns - and
> to observe the Way at high evolutionary levels.
>
> msh says:
> This is interesting. Do you believe, as Phaedrus in ZMM discovers,
> that Quality and the Tao are one and the same? I think I do. But
> does my version of the POE, above, suggest that there is an immoral
> side to Quality/Tao? What you call the dark side?
>
> Thanks, Mark, for your thoughts.
>
> As usual, any and all comments will be appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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