Re: MD the metaphysics of free enterprise

From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Sat Aug 07 2004 - 16:18:25 BST

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    And if I may stretch the "meme mutability" thread ..

    We also take and we do not check with the giver if we've got exactly what
    the giver intended ...

    O Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood .... Elvis ?

    Ian G

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "David Morey" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 9:07 PM
    Subject: Re: MD the metaphysics of free enterprise

    > We take and do not ask who it is there that gives.
    >
    > Nietzsche, Ecce homo
    >
    > Hence we forget DQ....
    >
    > David m
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "johnny moral" <johnnymoral@hotmail.com>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 7:07 PM
    > Subject: Re: MD the metaphysics of free enterprise
    >
    >
    > > Hi Mel,
    > > Not sure I understand the distinctions your making. I'm saying there's
    > one
    > > Morality, one Reality, one Quality, and that it is the same for all of
    us,
    > > so my existence doesn't depend on someone else arbitrailiy being
    conscious
    > > of me in the sense that if they fail to notice me I would cease to
    exist.
    > > They will notice me, because Reality, or God, will not give them a
    > different
    > > reality than it gives me. (or there would be a reason if they didn't
    > notice
    > > me, which fits consistently in with Morality and makes sense later. -
    > that
    > > is the biggest Moral expectation, that there are reasons for everything,
    > and
    > > all will make sense and fit together as a whole, even if we don't happen
    > to
    > > see how it will at the moment.).
    > >
    > > I exist because my mother noticed me (as the somewhat expected result of
    > > sexual intercourse) and then the obstretician noticed me and eventually
    > lots
    > > of people have come to notice me, and therefor I can't just cease to
    exist
    > > or all these people's realities would not be consitent. But I think if
    no
    > > mother ever noticed me gestating or being born, if no people ever
    noticed
    > my
    > > existence, then I think the conclusion would be that I do not exist.
    > >
    > > Johnny
    > >
    > > Johnny:
    > > >Yes, but I don't believe that someone has a choice but to observe me,
    > > >because his observation is secondary to the experience of Quality, and
    > > >Quality orignates his observation. The pattern of me exists in
    Morality,
    > so
    > > >I will be observed when Moraity creates both the consciousness that
    > > >observes me and the pattern (me) that is being observed.
    > > >
    > >
    > > mel:
    > > Your point of view is interesting. Correct me if I am wrong here,
    > > but it looks like you have just labeled or attributed small 'q'
    > > qualities manifesting in Morality what the religious would seem
    > > to label as God. While Quality seems to be the existentialist's
    > > Being. ...your thoughts? .
    > >
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