From: Charles Roghair (ctr@pacificpartssales.com)
Date: Wed Aug 11 2004 - 00:03:52 BST
Johnny:
The original section of test with the rankings was Ilya's, not mine. I
simply replaced each DYNAMIC PRESSURE with an AWARENESS to make a
point. I thought that was obvious; apparently not.
Is awareness of dynamic pressures not conducive to dynamic change?
Johnny, left to your devices, man is unessential:
> I don't think a person needs to be aware of the dynamic presssures
> around him for dynamic change to take place.
and looking suspiciously predetermined:
> That person may read a book tomorrow (because someone gave it to him
> because it had a cover that had a picture of his favorite car - ie, a
> seemingly random reason but not without reason) that will put dynamic
> pressure on him to change his life, and he will change his life.
Finally:
> that will put dynamic pressure on him to change his life, and he will
> change his life.
What or who is "that?" The Handicapper General?
Man made God, not the other way around.
Best regards,
Chuck
On Aug 9, 2004, at 4:20 PM, johnny moral wrote:
> Ilya:
>>> Now. If a person experiences little DYNAMIC PRESSURE, he is
>>> dominated completely by static patterns. His life is tepid and
>>> measured. He may be more or less harmonious depending on how
>>> coherent his static pattern levels are, but he has comparatively
>>> little chances to become either mental hospital patient or great
>>> spiritual leader. He is ordinary very small detail in the body of
>>> the Giant.
>
> I like this idea, because it shows that DQ is better understood as
> pressure on static patterns by other static patterns. That person may
> read a book tomorrow (because someone gave it to him because it had a
> cover that had a picture of his favorite car - ie, a seemingly random
> reason but not without reason) that will put dynamic pressure on him
> to change his life, and he will change his life.
>
> I don't know why Chuck wants to bring in awareness, or why there is
> such a strong need to rank people as being better or smarter or more
> aware or dynamic. OK, people are different in all those ways, but
> that's entirely because of the dynamically-pressured static patterns
> that they live in, and those differences may change. I don't think a
> person needs to be aware of the dynamic presssures around him for
> dynamic change to take place.
>
>
>
> Johnny
>
>> From: Charles Roghair <ctr@pacificpartssales.com>
>> Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>> To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>> Subject: Re: MD DYNAMIC PRESSURE (?)
>> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:49:39 -0700
>>
>> Hello everybody. Hello Ilya.
>>
>> Ilya, your new term, DYNAMIC PRESSURE, sounds like AWARENESS to me.
>>
>> AWARENESS ¨C n 1: having knowledge of; 2: state of elementary or
>> undifferentiated consciousness
>>
>> Read:
>>
>>> AWARENESS is experienced by person drive from static patters of his
>>> life toward unknown. Experienced by person force that drives him
>>> toward he does know what, you understand, Mark?
>>>
>>> If we use this new term, we don't have to define "AWARENESS" and
>>> explain what means saying that one person is more aware than
>>> another. We may just say that a person A experiences much more
>>> AWARENESS than a person B. Or, that a person A experiences much more
>>> AWARENESS at the moment of time t1 than he experienced at the
>>> moment of time t2.
>>>
>>> Now. If a person experiences little AWARENESS, he is dominated
>>> completely by static patterns. His life is tepid and measured. He
>>> may be more or less harmonious depending on how coherent his static
>>> pattern levels are, but he has comparatively little chances to
>>> become either mental hospital patient or great spiritual leader. He
>>> is ordinary very small detail in the body of the Giant.
>>>
>>> If a person experiences great AWARENESS, there are two
>>> possibilities. If this person's static pattern levels are very
>>> coherent, his life is a mistic experience of a great intensity.
>>> Example of such a person - Jesus Christ.
>>> If this person's static pattern levels are NOT coherent at all, it's
>>> hard to envy him. His life is complete nighmare. He is being torn
>>> apart by he doesn't understand what. In such a state some people
>>> seek rescue at psychoanalysts, some in religion, some in alcohol and
>>> drugs. Some may clench teeth tight and cling to whatever static
>>> patterns they had (and thus shut themselves from any possibility for
>>> growth). Some may stubbornly seek for Truth, Reason (or whatever
>>> they would call it) and eventually invent something like MOQ :-
>>>
>>
>> As I was enjoy your thoughts on DYNAMIC PRESSURE, I noticed I was
>> simultaneously aware of AWARENOUS.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2004, at 12:51 PM, §ª§Ý§î§ñ §¬§à§â§à§Ò§Ü§à§Ó wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>>
>>>
>>> Vac>> 1. Can we say that person A is more Dynamic then person B?
>>> Vac>> Mark 4-8-04: This can be qualified because a 'person' is given
>>> quite a
>>> Vac>> detailed description in the MOQ: A person is dominated by a
>>> combination of four
>>> Vac>> levels of evolutionary related static patterns, Inorganic,
>>> Organic, Social and
>>> Vac>> Intellectual, and these levels are responding to DQ at the
>>> same time.
>>>
>>>
>>> You know, Mark, something troubles me in this description. It sounds
>>> too "objective" to me, that is, too far from what a certain human
>>> being (whatever his metaphysical status is) experiences. Maybe this
>>> description is all right as long as only phylosophy is concerned,
>>> but I feel it is not very convenient for psychology.
>>>
>>> I invented a new term today, DYNAMIC PRESSURE, and want to present
>>> it it to you and ask what you think about it.
>>>
>>> DYNAMIC PRESSURE is experienced by person drive from static patters
>>> of his life toward unknown. Experienced by person force that drives
>>> him toward he does know what, you understand, Mark?
>>>
>>> If we use this new term, we don't have to define "DYNAMICNESS" and
>>> explain what means saying that one person is more Dynamic than
>>> another. We may just say that a person A experiences much more
>>> DYNAMIC PRESSURE than a person B. Or, that a person A experiences
>>> much more DYNAMIC PRESSURE at the moment of time t1 than he
>>> experienced at the moment of time t2.
>>>
>>> Now. If a person experiences little DYNAMIC PRESSURE, he is
>>> dominated completely by static patterns. His life is tepid and
>>> measured. He may be more or less harmonious depending on how
>>> coherent his static pattern levels are, but he has comparatively
>>> little chances to become either mental hospital patient or great
>>> spiritual leader. He is ordinary very small detail in the body of
>>> the Giant.
>>>
>>> If a person experiences great DYNAMIC PRESSURE, there are two
>>> possibilities. If this person's static pattern levels are very
>>> coherent, his life is a mistic experience of a great intensity.
>>> Example of such a person - Jesus Christ.
>>> If this person's static pattern levels are NOT coherent at all, it's
>>> hard to envy him. His life is complete nighmare. He is being torn
>>> apart by he doesn't understand what. In such a state some people
>>> seek rescue at psychoanalysts, some in religion, some in alcohol and
>>> drugs. Some may clench teeth tight and cling to whatever static
>>> patterns they had (and thus shut themselves from any possibility for
>>> growth). Some may stubbornly seek for Truth, Reason (or whatever
>>> they would call it) and eventually invent something like MOQ :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, that's what I wanted to tell you and ask your opinion about,
>>> Mark. If you tell me how this description fits with the MOQ theory
>>> and what you personally think about it, I would be very grateful.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Ilya
>>>
>>>
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