Re: MD MOQ and The Problem Of Evil

From: ml (mbtlehn@ix.netcom.com)
Date: Thu Aug 19 2004 - 17:58:45 BST

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    MSH and Johnny:
    (interleaved)

    msh:
    > It's not death that is the problem. It's suffering. A benevolent,
    > omnipotent, omniscient god could keep the laws of gravity in place,
    > let the rock fall and the child die swiftly and painlessly.

    mel:
    Why do you assume that a swift painless death is a superior one?
    We may fear pain, but can you be sure there is no possibility of
    something to be gained from the experience of it?

    msh:
    > The POE occurs when the rock falls and crushes the child's
    > legs and spine, so that she lies there in agony for hours till
    > comes the wolf to finish her off.

    mel:
    Severe traumatic injury typically involves little actual pain, but
    rather an intriguing wierdness or inappropriateness, it is the
    recovery from injury that is painful. My own shoulder dislocations,
    broken bones, snapped tendons and ligaments, when I actually
    "reached into" the experience and FELT what was there were
    both odd and interesting. It was the mind's insistence on what
    my body SHOULD be that was the cause of any horror or pain.
    I cause my perception of suffering, my nervous system simply
    relayed the sensation. The sensations were not pleasant,
    compared to eating chocolate or having sex, but the aespect
    called suffering came from the mind, before I realized I could
    reach past that 'illusion' in that experience,
    (those experiences).

    Upon reflection, the POE is our attempt to project upon the
    infinite our preferences for how things from our limited capacity
    ought to be. That is simple absurdity, regardless of the
    rigorousness of formulation or the structure of the argument.
    (Deciding that the world was flat is the same type of projection,
    except in West Texas - where it REALLY is.)

    As for the wolf, it is grateful to eat.

    msh:
    > Trust me. It's the knock-out punch.

    mel:
    Since we are only shadow boxing, there is no knock-out punch
    beyond the fantasy of our own ego.

    thanks--mel
     
    >

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