From: Dan Glover (daneglover@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Aug 20 2004 - 04:36:23 BST
Hello everyone
>From: MarshaV <marshalz@i-2000.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: RE: MD SQ and reincarnation
>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:14:17 -0400
>
>At 11:53 AM 8/16/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>> > Scott:Though not really relevant to the question, but I think relevant
>>to
>> > the MOQ
>> > in general: I think that one needs some sort of afterlife idea to
>>redeem
>> > our existence, that is, to believe in a Quality universe. That is, I
>>think
>> > it is a higher-quality universe if our efforts to make ourselves better
>>are
>> > not simply cut off at death, which would make our efforts pointless for
>> > ourselves. This is no proof, obviously.
>
>Hi,
>
>I have been a seeker of "truth" all my life. Shortly after my husband
>died, I had this dream:
>
>It was dark, and I was alone, and at the end of a high desert-type cliff.
>I knew I was suppose to jump, but I was afraid. Then I realized that it
>was the leap I needed to take to become enlightened. I decided for the
>gift of enlightenment, I would go off the cliff. I backed up and ran off
>the cliff. BUT, I remained suspended in the air. I could not fall. I
>could only walk back to the cliff's edge. In the dream I knew I lost the
>opportunity because I would only jump without a guarantee and
>understanding.
>
>Nuts. Huh?
Hi Scott and Marsha
I don't think your dream is nuts. It seems to be saying that you're already
enlightened but it is your own sense of reality that holds you back. If you
would have just jumped without waiting for the realization, who knows what
would have happened? That's how we all are though, I think. Maybe that's why
it's somehow comforting to believe in an afterlife. We just cannot believe
that this is all there is, that we must somehow redeem ourselves. But how
wonderful I find it is just to be alive! Death, please be patient just a
little while longer.
My condolences for your loss.
>
>What does MOQ say about the dream experience?
I think the MOQ would say that dream experience originates on the biological
level. Sleep researchers can tell when someone is dreaming by REM (rapid eye
movement). But they cannot tell what they're dreaming. So dream experience
must have social and intellectual aspects to it too, as well as undefined
Dynamic Quality. Not a great deal different than waking life when you come
right down to it.
Thank you for your comments,
Dan
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